On Wed, Aug 21 2013, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz <j...@gnu.org> wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20 2013, Neil Van Dyke wrote: >> >>> Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote at 08/20/2013 09:52 AM: >>>> Can you say more about why this is? Is it the pictures? >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I scroll down the page and I see pictures and a simple picture >>> language, and it seems to be using them to introduce some pretty >>> simple and familiar concepts, so I assume it's for children. >> >> FWIW, i get the exact same feeling. > > I think this is a sign that we need to revise the tutorial, not that > we need to not link to it. For example, Quick is the only tutorial > that doesn't assume the reader knows Lisp notation.
Probably... i mostly agree with Eli's comments on this regard in his answer, and his proposals include (and most of the time improve) all the ideas i've come up with. >> To add to the list of >> purely subjective opinions and wishes, i would also like to see a "pure >> hackers"-looking page i could point prejudiced colleagues to, with >> little emphasis on the educational aspects of Racket. > > Relative to the page I've presented, what would be removed? The Quick > tutorial (but see above) and all or some of the books? The Redex book > is certainly advanced, but I don't know if it has the appeal you're > looking for. Anything else? I like the idea (Eli's again, i think) of giving the books less prominence using popups for the text. At any rate, i'd make community links appear before the book descriptions. The big fonts (and i realize this is such a subjective thing that it sounds a bit silly) also somehow transmit that non-hackish impression i get. Also, i find the "Go further" columns a bit too verbose: a simple list of the most remarkable features, with hyperlinks, would occupy less space and, IMHO, be more informative: if i know what you're talking about there, i don't need the brief surrounding explanations, and, if i don't, i'm not sure those blurbs are gonna help (and i'm worried that to someone not knowing you guys and your amazing work all these years they could sound a bit like a buzzwordy add). Perhaps a better way to explain what i have in mind when i say "pure hackers looking page" is to give you the example of http://ocaml.org and, to a lesser degree, http://haskell.org. All that said, i'm not sure i would trust my own taste as a webpage designer :-) Cheers, jao -- Nothing is so firmly believed as what is least known. -Michel de Montaigne, essayist (1533-1592) _________________________ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev