Peter - I apologize. I had meant to keep my suggestion to cool down off-list, but it appears that I failed to remove dev@river.apache.org from the recipients when I replied.
Cheers, Greg. On Dec 21, 2013, at 3:50 AM, Peter Firmstone <j...@zeus.net.au> wrote: > I think the real problem is some people haven't been reading up on > concurrency and are insufficiently informed to be able to properly discuss > the issue. > > When I don't know something, I either ask someone who does, or I keep my > mouth shut so as not to look like a fool. > > It's more a case of, if you behave like a fool long enough to make it > frustrating, that's exactly how you'll be treated. > > Sadly it's by people who should know better, who while they may lack an > understanding of the JMM are still very skilled programmers, that's what > makes it frustrating. > > Final fields are made visible after construction completes, so when other > threads receive a copy of the object in an unconstructed state, like they do > during export in a constructor, then those threads can continue to see the > incomplete object, rather than the fully constructed one. > > See for yourselves, look at all the final fields in Mercury, then realise > that it's reference escaped during construction. The other services are also > guilty. > > That also means that all the remote method invocations wrapped up as runnable > tasks and executed on Mercury's methods in an executor pool will have also > seen parts of Mercury in a partially constructed state. > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/river/jtsk/skunk/qa_refactor/trunk/src/com/sun/jini/mercury/MailboxImpl.java?r1=545310&r2=1552606 > > If I haven't convinced you, read up, spend some time on the concurrency > interest mail list or ask someone you trust who does know. > > Regards, > > Peter. > > On 21/12/2013 11:10 AM, Greg Trasuk wrote: >> (off-list) >> >> Peter: >> >> You’re sounding unprofessional, and you’re missing the fact that people are >> giving reasonable and well-thought-out feedback. You seem to be taking the >> conversation personally. Perhaps you should take a few hours off the list >> and cool down. Things will still be here when you’ve regained composure. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Greg. >> >> On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Peter<j...@zeus.net.au> wrote: >> >>> You just did. >>> >>> The blue pill. >>> >>> I prefer the truth, it's easier in the long run. >>> >>> Feel free to cast your vote. >>> >>> Peter. >>> >>> ----- Original message ----- >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> There's so many things wrong in there, I'm not even going to dignify this >>>> with a response. >
