Hi, as Alex said, Dave and Piotr understand my word incorrectly. Maybe I express incorrectly. So bad for myself.
but anyway, I'm with Alex that we as "Apache Royale" should take priority for our own UI set, and I prefer all the time that we could spend in MDL examples will go to make our own set looks beautiful. In the end, whatever we interpret, is that Piotr can upload MDLExample to their GitHub so make it accesible to anyone. That's my opinion on this, although I invest lot of time in MDLExample a long with Piotr, my intention was to catch eyes and people for the project, but in the end I see clearly that any *imported* UI set (MDL, Bootstrap, etc...) are not the way we should take. Our future depends in making our own UI set. @Piotr, after testing with Vivid, I see clearly that we can mimic the same MDL looks, maybe not 100%, but very closely...and seems a doable task if anyone is interesed as a theme, and with only one compilation parameter, we can make the entire app looks completly different...I think that should be our goal! :) thanks 2018-02-19 17:33 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>: > @Dave, > > I agree that you could interpret Carlos's words the way you did, but I > also think it is possible that Carlos was referring that the two MDL > examples we are discussing aren't as important as some other things on VP > Legal's to-do list, which is fair and probably true and why I haven't > pinged VP Legal. > > @Piotr, > > As Dave says, the way to escalate is to add a comment to the JIRA issue or > ask politely on legal-discuss. Again, how important is it? > > My 2 cents, > -Alex > > On 2/19/18, 8:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >Carlos, > > > >Please stop with the meme that the ASF doesn’t care about projects. It is > >not helpful and it is not true. > > > >There are hundreds of projects. I suggested that you politely query on > >legal-discuss@. > > > >Regards, > >Dave > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:52 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > >>wrote: > >> > >> Hi Piotr > >> > >> my bet is that, as that projects are of no interest for ASF, you can > >>upload > >> to your GitHub account directly without any word about it. > >> > >> my 2cnt > >> > >> 2018-02-19 11:48 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>: > >> > >>> It's been several weeks since w have asked about advice. There is no > >>> response. How can we escalate this question higher ? > >>> > >>> Thanks, Piotr > >>> > >>> 2018-01-30 19:58 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>: > >>> > >>>> I created > >>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Fissues > >>>>.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FLEGAL-363&data=02% > 7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.c > >>>>om%7C38e5360cf20847b34cd508d577b572dd%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee > >>>>1%7C0%7C0%7C636546543554938163&sdata=cDHQDyV2kJw53r7ZQKODy3Itqx2bjl > leb6 > >>>>f28MJeDgE%3D&reserved=0 > >>>> > >>>> -Alex > >>>> > >>>>> On 1/30/18, 8:48 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > >>>>>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I think since release has been done we could raise a JIRA. I will > >>>>>try to > >>>>> follow it and see how can I help. Will you raise jira since you have > >>>>> started legal discussion ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, Piotr > >>>>> > >>>>> 2018-01-29 7:59 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, filing a JIRA is probably the next step. When do we want to > >>> spend > >>>>>> more time on this? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Alex > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/28/18, 3:37 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been more than a week since Alex asked on legal [1] for advice > >>> in > >>>>>>> case > >>>>>>> of that Examples. No response. What's the next step ? Maybe jira > >>>>>>>with > >>>>>> his > >>>>>>> question ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F > >>>>>>> s5Zp1y&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com% > >>>> 7C4d3f223be1764199838708d56643 > >>>>>> 928 > >>>>>>> c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0% > >>>>>> 7C636527362778153010&sdata=Ms > >>>>>>> 5LmB%2F%2FyotheduBEC2yNYACGTZ%2Bhwenw2CwZj6sUU8%3D&reserved=0 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:59 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org > >: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Piotr, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> for me it's ok. My opinion is that example should be accesible but > >>>>>>>> outside > >>>>>>>> this project for two reasons: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1.- Could be important for people currently using MDL library. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2.- As I stated, I want to concentrate our energies in new Royale > >>> UI > >>>>>> Set > >>>>>>>> that eventually has an MDL theme. So maybe this change will > >>> encourage > >>>>>>>> us to > >>>>>>>> think that is more important to invest in our own set that > >>>>>>>>continue > >>>>>>>> working > >>>>>>>> in a library that is based on an external set that we don't > >>>>>>>>control > >>>>>> (and > >>>>>>>> that's deprecated too in favor of material components by google) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So if you want to host it is ok for me, if you do, I'll do nothing > >>>>>> since > >>>>>>>> it's better to have only one repo for both samples, so people > >>> doesn't > >>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>> confused > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think we need to wait for legal decisions about this > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> thanks! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Carlos > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki > >>>>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Carlos, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I don't mind if you do this. > >>>>>>>>> I will personally for sure add those examples to my own repo as I > >>>>>>>> stated > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> the RC thread - IF Legal won't allow as to use it. By won't > >>> allow I > >>>>>>>> mean > >>>>>>>>> the situation where we will have to do some magic to have that > >>>>>>>> example. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Legal discussion is in progress, so I would wait once it will be > >>>>>>>> finished. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:39 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira < > >>> carlosrov...@apache.org > >>>>> : > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> separating MDL examples problem from release so we can get that > >>>>>> done > >>>>>>>> soon > >>>>>>>>>> with less noise. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I want to ask here if it would be ok to upload both conflictive > >>>>>>>> examples > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> my own github account so people interested can access it. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Let me know in order to proceed. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > >>>>>> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me% > 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