Hi Carlos,

Well, that is my suggestion for how you can figure this out.  In theory, there 
should be relatively few differences in js-debug and those few differences are 
likely to be the difference in the js-release version.

Also, in theory, the source-maps work and running the js-release in the 
debugger should show where in the js-debug the exception is coming from.

Hopefully your time budget considered that Royale is still beta quality.  This 
is, hopefully, a relatively straightforward issue and having more people 
understand how to debug production code is a good thing for the community.  It 
can't always be me.

Good luck,
-Alex

On 10/17/18, 11:19 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:

    Hi Alex,
    
    one thing to take into account, you talk about to compare debug versions,
    but the problem is that debug versions works right, so I think you'll
    didn't find nothing related to the real problem there.
    Thanks
    
    El mié., 17 oct. 2018 a las 17:48, Carlos Rovira (<carlosrov...@apache.org>)
    escribió:
    
    > Hi Alex,
    >
    > do you want to send you a zip file with the js-debug versions?
    > In order to compare both je-relase versions, my problem is that I don't
    > know what I must look for, so is difficult to see things. In the other
    > hand, I'm spending lots of time in this kind of Debugging what makes me
    > unable to work on the real project, and I'm starting to be delayed...
    >
    > thanks
    >
    >
    >
    > El mié., 17 oct. 2018 a las 17:19, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    > escribió:
    >
    >> This may be a good opportunity for folks like you to develop skills at
    >> debugging things like this.  It won't scale if it is always up to me.
    >>  IMO, I would be comparing the un-minified source to see what is
    >> different.  The release files are hard to read.
    >>
    >> -Alex
    >>
    >> On 10/17/18, 6:58 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
    >>
    >>     Alex,
    >>
    >>     testing with the test change to the same jewel code and with actual
    >> repo
    >>     states fails in release mode as expected. So clearly something has
    >> changed
    >>     this days that makes MX RO fail in release mode.
    >>
    >>     Using DiffMerge to compare both release .js files shows a clear red
    >> zone
    >>     where the significant differences exists.
    >>
    >>     I posted both js files here
    >>
    >>     [1] Day 14 -
    >> 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apache.org%2FtYEj&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cc01ffc8e334943c65c7d08d6345d234b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636753971960008346&amp;sdata=nUvm817M8DOGllSRz8fj8kQ%2Friec5jvTkH2Kz7P1AWk%3D&amp;reserved=0
    >>     [2] Day 17 -
    >> 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apache.org%2FAcMa&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Cc01ffc8e334943c65c7d08d6345d234b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636753971960008346&amp;sdata=i3zV%2FoOc2ObIzmlaCO6pEZRuQoL7fMFOQT9v%2FonE3x4%3D&amp;reserved=0
    >>
    >>
    >>     Could you check the files and see if you see something relevant. I
    >> don't
    >>     know how to look for. If you need the js files I can send you in
    >> email.
    >>
    >>     Hope you find with this info the point of changes and could find some
    >>     solution so we get release mode working againg
    >>
    >>     thanks
    >>
    >>     Carlos
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>     El mié., 17 oct. 2018 a las 15:34, Carlos Rovira (<
    >> carlosrov...@apache.org>)
    >>     escribió:
    >>
    >>     > Hi Alex,
    >>     >
    >>     > Going to repos state of Oct, 14th (last commit of that day, in
    >> compiler
    >>     > and framework, and in my project app repo as well), I can confirm
    >> all
    >>     > worked on release more and communication with server is ok
    >>     >
    >>     > for our mxroyale MX RO test: I can't get it to work in release mode
    >> either
    >>     > adding:
    >>     >
    >>     > debug false
    >>     >
    >>     > and
    >>     >
    >>     >  -js-dynamic-access-unknown-members=true
    >>     >
    >>     > or removing mx:method section that was not working right at that
    >> time.
    >>     >
    >>     > Our test continue showing white browser screen and the error:
    >>     >
    >>     > [Error] TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating
    >> 'a.length')
    >>     > ez (App.js:997:141)
    >>     > Vy (App.js:996:181)
    >>     > qm (App.js:970:266)
    >>     > qr (App.js:968:323)
    >>     > mq (App.js:239:887)
    >>     > R (App.js:166:1223)
    >>     > W (App.js:511:1288)
    >>     > mw (App.js:642:796)
    >>     > Dz (App.js:1044:726)
    >>     > create (App.js:908:164)
    >>     > start (App.js:909:229)
    >>     > Código global (index.html:13)
    >>     >
    >>     > So I suppose mx:Application and other implied MX things in the
    >> background
    >>     > are still not suited for release compilation.
    >>     >
    >>     > So after this, I changed localy all non MX RO components to Jewel,
    >> and I
    >>     > get the test working in release mode
    >>     > Interesting thing here is that it worked without setting
    >>     > -js-dynamic-access-unknown-members=true
    >>     > So that indicates that MX RO seems does not need this itself.
    >>     >
    >>     > Next thing is go to actual code, change the example with the same
    >> Jewel
    >>     > code, compile, test and then compare outputs with DiffMerge to see
    >>     > differences.
    >>     >
    >>     > I'll write result as I get it
    >>     >
    >>     > Carlos
    >>     >
    >>     >
    >>     >
    >>     > El mié., 17 oct. 2018 a las 10:15, Carlos Rovira (<
    >> carlosrov...@apache.org>)
    >>     > escribió:
    >>     >
    >>     >> Hi Alex,
    >>     >>
    >>     >> the compiler params I reported was not right, were from
    >> asconfig.json,
    >>     >> but since I'm using maven I saw there was not setup anything, so I
    >> setup to
    >>     >> :
    >>     >>
    >>     >> <additionalCompilerOptions>
    >>     >> -source-map=true;-js-dynamic-access-unknown-members=true</
    >>     >> additionalCompilerOptions>
    >>     >>
    >>     >> And seems the output is still the same
    >>     >>
    >>     >> [Error] TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating
    >> 'a.length')
    >>     >> hz (App.js:998:141)
    >>     >> Yy (App.js:997:181)
    >>     >> rm (App.js:971:266)
    >>     >> tr (App.js:969:323)
    >>     >> pq (App.js:239:887)
    >>     >> R (App.js:166:1223)
    >>     >> W (App.js:511:1288)
    >>     >> pw (App.js:642:796)
    >>     >> Gz (App.js:1045:726)
    >>     >> create (App.js:908:164)
    >>     >> start (App.js:909:229)
    >>     >> Código global (index.html:13)
    >>     >>
    >>     >> Now, I'll try to go back in time to a previous commit where it
    >> works and
    >>     >> compare with this output
    >>     >>
    >>     >> I'll get back with results
    >>     >>
    >>     >> Carlos
    >>     >>
    >>     >>
    >>     >>
    >>     >>
    >>     >>
    >>     >>
    >>     >> El mar., 16 oct. 2018 a las 23:44, Alex Harui
    >> (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >> escribió:
    >>     >>
    >>     >>> Ok. Let us know what you find out.  I'm curious why you are not
    >> using
    >>     >>> -js-dynamic-access.  I thought that was at least a workaround.
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>> -Alex
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>> On 10/16/18, 2:36 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >> wrote:
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     I'm starting with our simple MXRoyale RO text example and our
    >> Java
    >>     >>> sample.
    >>     >>>     I just pushed a commit to easy change between the old example
    >> and
    >>     >>> the new
    >>     >>>     MX RO test case, and enable RELEASE mode. When doing so and
    >> running
    >>     >>> it
    >>     >>>     doesn't work. this is the output
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     [Error] TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating
    >> 'a.length')
    >>     >>>     hz (App.js:998:141)
    >>     >>>     Yy (App.js:997:181)
    >>     >>>     rm (App.js:971:266)
    >>     >>>     tr (App.js:969:323)
    >>     >>>     pq (App.js:239:887)
    >>     >>>     R (App.js:166:1223)
    >>     >>>     W (App.js:511:1288)
    >>     >>>     pw (App.js:642:796)
    >>     >>>     Gz (App.js:1045:726)
    >>     >>>     create (App.js:908:164)
    >>     >>>     start (App.js:909:229)
    >>     >>>     Código global (index.html:13)
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     The additional compiler options are:
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     "additionalOptions": "-remove-circulars
    >>     >>>     -js-output-optimization=skipAsCoercions",
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     I must to close for today, but I think it will be more easy
    >> to debug
    >>     >>> from
    >>     >>>     this example than from my real world app that has many other
    >> things
    >>     >>> bundled.
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     Thanks
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     El mar., 16 oct. 2018 a las 18:49, Alex Harui
    >>     >>> (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >>>     escribió:
    >>     >>>
    >>     >>>     > Hi Carlos,
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     > Are you saying you can see that the response from the
    >> server was
    >>     >>> received
    >>     >>>     > by XHR in the browser?
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     > I can't think of anything that I pushed yesterday that
    >> would affect
    >>     >>>     > response handling.  IMO, the changes I made affected the
    >> call to
    >>     >>> send(),
    >>     >>>     > but not the response handling.  The other change would
    >> affect what
    >>     >>> MXML
    >>     >>>     > elements were created.  I guess you'll just have to debug
    >> into it.
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     > If it helps, there is a -skip-transpile option that is
    >> relatively
    >>     >>>     > untested, but causes the compiler to skip over any
    >> transpilation
    >>     >>> and just
    >>     >>>     > run the Google Closure Compiler on the js-debug folder.
    >> This
    >>     >>> should allow
    >>     >>>     > you to add trace statements (actually console.out) to the
    >> .JS
    >>     >>> files in the
    >>     >>>     > js-debug folder and help you debug.  If you are only
    >> modifying
    >>     >>> framework
    >>     >>>     > files and not the application files, you don't even need
    >>     >>> -skip-transpile,
    >>     >>>     > since the framework JS files from the SWC that are in
    >> js-debug are
    >>     >>> not
    >>     >>>     > overwritten if they already exist.
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     > You could also revert back until you get a version that
    >> works, or
    >>     >>> compare
    >>     >>>     > the current js-debug against working js-debug, if you still
    >> have a
    >>     >>> working
    >>     >>>     > copy somewhere.
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     > -Alex
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     > On 10/16/18, 3:57 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    >> carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >>     >>> wrote:
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     Hi Alex
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     It seems that latest changes makes MX RO not work in
    >>     >>> js-release mode.
    >>     >>>     >     If you remember I could by-pass this problem setting up
    >>     >>>     >     -js-dynamic-access-unknown-members=true
    >>     >>>     >     compiling my Application, but now testing js-release
    >> it's not
    >>     >>> working
    >>     >>>     > at
    >>     >>>     >     all, since we are in release no traces are shown
    >>     >>>     >     calling the operation in the backend just fails 
silenty.
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     I only can say that call is done since I can see traces
    >> on my
    >>     >>> java
    >>     >>>     > server,
    >>     >>>     >     and enabling XHR in browser I can see the request is
    >> received
    >>     >>> but in
    >>     >>>     > Royale
    >>     >>>     >     nothing happens. I think this in an important issue (in
    >> the
    >>     >>> end it
    >>     >>>     > will be
    >>     >>>     >     blocking for me to go to production), do you know of
    >> something
    >>     >>> done in
    >>     >>>     > the
    >>     >>>     >     latest changes that could make this fail now?
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     Thanks
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 21:17, Carlos Rovira (<
    >>     >>>     > carlosrov...@apache.org>)
    >>     >>>     >     escribió:
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     > Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     > with your latest fixes all is working ok :)
    >>     >>>     >     > thanks!
    >>     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     > El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 20:12, Alex Harui
    >>     >>>     > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >>>     >     > escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >> Either syntax should work.  I just pushed changes to
    >>     >>>     > AbstractService that
    >>     >>>     >     >> got service.echo() to work.
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >> -Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >> On 10/15/18, 10:51 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    >>     >>> carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >>     >>>     > wrote:
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     one thing I not understand is that this:
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     (service.echo as Operation).send();
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     should be
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     service.echo()
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     I think we're trying to remove "send()" and call
    >>     >>> directly
    >>     >>>     > "echo()"
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     I can go to your latest commits in both compiler
    >> and
    >>     >>> framework
    >>     >>>     > and
    >>     >>>     >     >> try, but
    >>     >>>     >     >>     don't understand the purpose, since calling with
    >> send()
    >>     >>> was
    >>     >>>     > what we
    >>     >>>     >     >> had,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     right?
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     Or maybe I'm missing something?
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     thanks
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     Carlos
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 19:15, Alex Harui
    >>     >>>     >     >> (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > About 10 hours ago, after I cast the call to
    >> send in
    >>     >>> the
    >>     >>>     > example to
    >>     >>>     >     >> be
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > (service.echo as Operation).send() , it worked
    >> for me.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > I see you have made several changes to the
    >> example
    >>     >>> since.  Go
    >>     >>>     > back
    >>     >>>     >     >> to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > where the example was about 10 hours ago, make
    >> that
    >>     >>> one
    >>     >>>     > change to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > service.echo.send() and it should work.  If
    >> other
    >>     >>> things are
    >>     >>>     > not
    >>     >>>     >     >> working, I
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > will look into them later.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > -Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > On 10/15/18, 10:11 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    >>     >>>     > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >>     >>>     >     >> wrote:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 18:54, Alex
    >> Harui
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > There may be a couple of things
    >> affecting you.
    >>     >>> One is
    >>     >>>     > that
    >>     >>>     >     >> in the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > bug you
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > reported, it looks like only the first
    >> RO is
    >>     >>> created
    >>     >>>     > and the
    >>     >>>     >     >> others
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > are not.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     I 'm pretty sure the bug about mx:method
    >> is not
    >>     >>> present
    >>     >>>     > since I
    >>     >>>     >     >> test
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > in my
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     real project and in the example in our
    >> repo. In
    >>     >>> the first
    >>     >>>     > one I
    >>     >>>     >     >> don't
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > have
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     any mx:method and in the second I comment
    >> to
    >>     >>> test. Maybe
    >>     >>>     > we
    >>     >>>     >     >> should
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > comment
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     mx:method section in the example for now.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > Second, if you notice in the example,
    >> you'll
    >>     >>> see things
    >>     >>>     > like
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > (service.echo
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > as Operation).lastResult.  After adding
    >> support
    >>     >>> for
    >>     >>>     >     >> callProperty,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > the calls
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > now have to change to be either
    >> (service.echo as
    >>     >>>     >     >> Operation).send() or
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > service.echo().  The current syntax in
    >> the repo:
    >>     >>>     >     >> service.echo.send()
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > will
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > result in an error because the compiler
    >> cannot
    >>     >>> know if
    >>     >>>     > the
    >>     >>>     >     >> echo
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > property on
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > service is also a proxy or not.  The
    >> compiler
    >>     >>> currently
    >>     >>>     >     >> guesses
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > "yes" to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > make it easier for folks who have
    >> existing
    >>     >>> nested
    >>     >>>     > ObjectProxy
    >>     >>>     >     >> data
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > sets.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > So, Royale developers will have to do
    >> more
    >>     >>> "casting"
    >>     >>>     > with
    >>     >>>     >     >> "as" than
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > in
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > Flash.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     check the example since I change already
    >> to the
    >>     >>> new
    >>     >>>     > syntax to
    >>     >>>     >     >> help you
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > try
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     it. There's no "send()" anymore in the
    >> example in
    >>     >>> our
    >>     >>>     > repo.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > In Flash, the difference between proxy
    >> access
    >>     >>> and
    >>     >>>     > regular
    >>     >>>     >     >> property
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > access
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > is handled in the runtime.  The JS
    >> runtimes do
    >>     >>> not do
    >>     >>>     > this.
    >>     >>>     >     >> The
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > compiler
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > could generate code that tests the class
    >> at
    >>     >>> runtime,
    >>     >>>     > but I
    >>     >>>     >     >> think
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > that will
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > be too slow.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > Specific to RemoteObject, it might be
    >> possible
    >>     >>> to
    >>     >>>     > declare the
    >>     >>>     >     >> JS
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > RemoteObject to not be a Proxy and just
    >> Dynamic
    >>     >>> and
    >>     >>>     > have the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > constructor
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > and getOperation call
    >> Object.defineProperty,
    >>     >>> but that
    >>     >>>     > is not a
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > general case
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > solution for Proxy.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     Hi Alex, that's for me a bit far from my
    >>     >>> knowledge. I'm
    >>     >>>     > sure
    >>     >>>     >     >> whatever
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > you
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     get would be the best solution.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     Currently mx:RO is broken and I'm working
    >> with
    >>     >>> the repo
    >>     >>>     > just
    >>     >>>     >     >> before the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     change localy to advance, hope you could
    >> take a
    >>     >>> look and
    >>     >>>     > see if
    >>     >>>     >     >> you
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > can fix
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     the issue.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     If not, probably is better to comment the
    >> changes
    >>     >>> in the
    >>     >>>     >     >> compiler (and
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     maybe in the framework?) to make it work
    >> again
    >>     >>> until we
    >>     >>>     > know
    >>     >>>     >     >> how to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > fix it.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     One thing I could test today (not related)
    >> in the
    >>     >>>     > meanwhile is
    >>     >>>     >     >> if mx:RO
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     works with small messages on. The response
    >> is
    >>     >>> not, I
    >>     >>>     > think that
    >>     >>>     >     >> is the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > AMF
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     serialization-deserialization. But I think
    >> this
    >>     >>> is not
    >>     >>>     > crucial,
    >>     >>>     >     >> just
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     disabling it could be ok for now for most
    >> of
    >>     >>> folks out
    >>     >>>     > there
    >>     >>>     >     >> (just
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > knowing
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     that they need to configure that to 
false).
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     Thanks
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     Carlos
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > My 2 cents,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > -Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > On 10/15/18, 4:51 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    >>     >>>     >     >> carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > wrote:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     I added to the RO test example the
    >>     >>> CompressedRO
    >>     >>>     > test case
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > commented to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > help
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     you find the problem.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     I couldn't test like in net RO since
    >> now
    >>     >>> the entire
    >>     >>>     >     >> example is
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > failing, but
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     once the callProperty works for a
    >> normal
    >>     >>> case
    >>     >>>     > should help
    >>     >>>     >     >> us to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > check
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > if
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     the rest of RO works since it uses
    >>     >>>     >     >> "convertParametersHandler"
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     I'll revert localy this changes in
    >> order to
    >>     >>> advance
    >>     >>>     > in my
    >>     >>>     >     >> real
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > world
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > app in
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     the mean while
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     thanks
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 13:40,
    >> Carlos
    >>     >>> Rovira (<
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > carlosrov...@apache.org>)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > I found that even if I remove
    >> completely
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > CompressedRemoteObject and
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > use
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > only normal mx:RemoteObject the
    >> error
    >>     >>> shows:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > [Error] TypeError: undefined is
    >> not an
    >>     >>> object
    >>     >>>     >     >> (evaluating
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>> 'this.remoteObject.convertParametersHandler')
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 13:00,
    >> Carlos
    >>     >>> Rovira
    >>     >>>     > (<
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > carlosrov...@apache.org>)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> I'm finding a problem with
    >> callProperty.
    >>     >>> I'm
    >>     >>>     > using a
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> CompressedRemoteObjeect that uses
    >> two
    >>     >>> hooks in
    >>     >>>     >     >> RemoteObject
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > API
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> public var
    >>     >>> convertParametersHandler:Function;
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> and
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> public var
    >> convertResultHandler:Function;
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> this makes the call fail with
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> [Error] TypeError: undefined is
    >> not an
    >>     >>> object
    >>     >>>     >     >> (evaluating
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>> 'this.remoteObject.convertParametersHandler')
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> send (Operation.js:109)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> callProperty
    >> (AbstractService.js:147:111)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> dologin (LoginForm.js:181)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> $EH1 (LoginForm.js:226)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> (función anónima)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> fireListener (events.js:744)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> fireListenerOverride
    >>     >>> (HTMLElementWrapper.js:61)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> handleBrowserEvent_
    >> (events.js:870)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> (función anónima) (events.js:289)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> So I guess the proxy is trying to
    >> proxy
    >>     >>> all even
    >>     >>>     > its
    >>     >>>     >     >> own
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > member
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > functions
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> that should not be affected,
    >> makes this
    >>     >>> sense?
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> thanks
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 7:15,
    >> Alex
    >>     >>> Harui
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> I pushed changes to the compiler
    >> and
    >>     >>> framework
    >>     >>>     > to try
    >>     >>>     >     >> to get
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> callProperty to work.  I don't
    >> have a
    >>     >>> test case
    >>     >>>     > but
    >>     >>>     >     >> give it
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > a try
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > and see
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> what happens.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> If you compare the size of the
    >> output
    >>     >>> with and
    >>     >>>     > without
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> -js-dynamic-access, you can see
    >> the
    >>     >>> theoretical
    >>     >>>     >     >> savings of
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > not
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > using that
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> option.  If that savings might
    >> matter,
    >>     >>> then it
    >>     >>>     > might
    >>     >>>     >     >> be worth
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > spending some
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> time on fixing up the issues 
that
    >>     >>>     > -js-dynamic-access
    >>     >>>     >     >> "works
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > around".  But
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> keep in mind that there probably
    >> isn't
    >>     >>> any way
    >>     >>>     > to
    >>     >>>     >     >> grab all
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > of the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> theoretical savings.  What we
    >> don’t
    >>     >>> know yet is
    >>     >>>     > where
    >>     >>>     >     >> you'll
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > actually end
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> up.  It might even be true that
    >>     >>>     > -js-dynamic-access is
    >>     >>>     >     >> more
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > optimal.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> -Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> On 10/14/18, 3:02 PM, "Carlos
    >> Rovira" <
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > wrote:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     Hi Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     El dom., 14 oct. 2018 a las
    >> 23:48,
    >>     >>> Alex
    >>     >>>     > Harui
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > I got the resources
    >> working so I
    >>     >>> will
    >>     >>>     > look into
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > Proxy.callProperty.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     That's cool, I'm closing for
    >> today,
    >>     >>> I can
    >>     >>>     > try in
    >>     >>>     >     >> some
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > hours if
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > you
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> upload
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     some changes. Thanks
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > The issue with
    >> js-dynamic-access
    >>     >>> isn't
    >>     >>>     > about MX
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > RemoteObject
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > vs
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> Basic
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > RemoteObject, it is
    >> whether, if
    >>     >>> we fixed
    >>     >>>     > places
    >>     >>>     >     >> in any
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > of
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > the code
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> where
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > minification breaks
    >> things, what
    >>     >>> the
    >>     >>>     >     >> size/performance
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > trade-off
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> would be.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > Some variable names would
    >> be
    >>     >>> longer, but
    >>     >>>     > some
    >>     >>>     >     >> other
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > code
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > might be
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> more
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > verbose as public vars are
    >>     >>> converted into
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > getter/setters and
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > have
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> function
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > call overhead.  I guess
    >> we'll
    >>     >>> find out
    >>     >>>     > when we
    >>     >>>     >     >> get
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > someone's
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > app
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> to the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > point where they are ready
    >> to get
    >>     >>> the
    >>     >>>     > production
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > version to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > run.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     Well, I'll need to have my
    >> app in
    >>     >>>     > production by
    >>     >>>     >     >> the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > end/start
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > of the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> year,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     so we'll can check this with
    >> mine.
    >>     >>> For now
    >>     >>>     > it
    >>     >>>     >     >> seems I
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > need to
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > left
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> this
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     configuration or release
    >> version
    >>     >>> can pass
    >>     >>>     > the
    >>     >>>     >     >> login (the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > mx RO
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > call
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> to the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     server)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > -Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > On 10/14/18, 2:23 PM,
    >> "Carlos
    >>     >>> Rovira" <
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> wrote:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     Hi Alex,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     El dom., 14 oct. 2018
    >> a las
    >>     >>> 18:32,
    >>     >>>     > Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >> Harui
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid
    >> >)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     escribió:
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > Hi Carlos,
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > JS proxy doesn't
    >> support
    >>     >>>     > callProperty
    >>     >>>     >     >> yet.  Feel
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > free
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > to add
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> it, or
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > I will
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > after I finish up
    >>     >>> ResourceManager.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     JS proxy is
    >>     >>> mx.utlis.ObjectProxy or
    >>     >>>     > you
    >>     >>>     >     >> mean maybe
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> AbstractService
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     callProperty?
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     I could take a look,
    >> but no
    >>     >>> promises
    >>     >>>     > since
    >>     >>>     >     >> I don't
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > know
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> exactly how
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > that
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     works. A little of
    >> guidance
    >>     >>> here
    >>     >>>     > could me
    >>     >>>     >     >> make get
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > this
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > done.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > I don't doubt that
    >>     >>> minification
    >>     >>>     > breaks
    >>     >>>     >     >> lots of
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > things
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > that
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > js-dynamic-access
    >> fixes.
    >>     >>> Hard to
    >>     >>>     > say how
    >>     >>>     >     >> much
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > smaller
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > your
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> app
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > would be if
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > we fixed anough 
stuff
    >>     >>> without that
    >>     >>>     > option.
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     well, including
    >>     >>> mx:RemoteObject seems
    >>     >>>     > to
    >>     >>>     >     >> increase
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> significantly my
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > current
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     app in release mode
    >> "mx" is
    >>     >>> 1'8mb
    >>     >>>     > while
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > "org.apache.royale" is
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > 1'8mb...but
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     is ok for me since I
    >> think is
    >>     >>> a normal
    >>     >>>     >     >> payload for
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     > base of
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> a normal
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     App, and MX RO here
    >> does an
    >>     >>> important
    >>     >>>     > role
    >>     >>>     >     >> in my
    >>     >>>     >     >>     > case. So
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>> happy to pay
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     > the
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     price ;)
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > -Alex
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > --
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     > Carlos Rovira
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>
    >> 
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    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     --
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>     Carlos Rovira
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>
    >> 
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    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> --
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >> Carlos Rovira
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >
    >>     >>>
    >> 
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    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >>
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     >
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > --
    >>     >>>     >     >>     >     >     > Carlos Rovira
    >>     >>>     >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Carlos Rovira
    > 
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