It has turned out to be harder than expected to get the same binaries on Mac 
and Win.  I now have the identical binaries for royale-compiler and 
royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting on royale-asjs.  I might get 
lucky and the changes that fixed royale-typedefs SWCs will magically get the 
royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have to make the Ant artifacts match.

There have been a lot of distractions in my non-work life which has also 
impeded progress.  I hope to make much progress this coming week and if we're 
lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer (or volunteers) to test drive all of 
this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.  I am not going to be the RM.

-Alex

On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Alex,
    
    It's been a while since you have started effort with automating build.
    Where are you with that ? Are we closer to started 0.9.6. Do you need any
    help with this ?
    
    Thanks,
    Piotr
    
    wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> napisał(a):
    
    > Update:
    >
    > In order to make verification of binary release packages created on the
    > server easier, I have made changes to our build scripts and tools to try 
to
    > generate reproducible binaries.  I've seen two different builds compare on
    > my Mac.   The next challenge will be to see if the server can build a
    > package on Windows that will compare on Mac.
    >
    > One of the changes I needed to make is to JBurg.  The version of JBurg we
    > use generates method names including a hash that doesn't reproduce the 
same
    > name each time.  I have changes to JBurg ready, however JBurg is currently
    > under CPL which is category B.  We only need one file, we don't need or
    > want all of JBurg at this time.  The one JBurg file is jointly owned by
    > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact Tom and he will be filing an ICLA and
    > has given me permission to commit the lines he owns in that one file.
    >
    > This is the revision of the file that will be donated by Tom/Adobe.
    >
    > 
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    > Once this file goes in with the changes to keep the method names the same,
    > there will be more tweaks to the release tasks and then we can try cutting
    > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at that point in early May, so now is 
the
    > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6 release.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > -Alex
    >
    > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
    >
    >     I would much rather have others find and fix issues themselves.  That
    > way, more people than just me will know how to maintain the system.  It
    > actually turns out that, IMO, a group of people can work on the release.
    > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14 different people could execute one step
    > each.
    >
    >     My 2 cents,
    >     -Alex
    >
    >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
    >
    >         Hi Alex,
    >
    >         amazing work! congrats to reach to this point! :)
    >
    >         I need to put my head on all of this, but count on me to be a RM.
    > I think
    >         the best thing should be that you be the first RM to try your own
    >         development at least for the first time, and then the rest of us
    > will
    >         follow you on the next releases. With all this on place we maybe
    > could
    >         release once a month or every two months...
    >
    >         Thanks for doing this :)
    >
    >         Carlos
    >
    >
    >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las 1:55, Alex Harui
    > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    >         escribió:
    >
    >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins perform the steps to build the release
    >         > artifacts.  Folks interested in Docker-izing the steps are
    > welcome to look
    >         > at the jobs on the "Royale Release" tab on the CI server.
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >
    >         > These steps assume that the RM can run the basic Maven and Ant
    > build on
    >         > the RM's computer. I think that's a fair requirement since all
    > of us on the
    >         > PMC need to able to do that to build the RC in order to vote on
    > it.
    >         >  Jenkins does other tasks like run the Maven release plugin
    > steps.
    >         >
    >         > Currently that results in binaries on Jenkins that are
    > downloaded to the
    >         > RM's computer.  These binaries need to be verified by the RM
    > which is the
    >         > next phase I will be starting on now.  The RM verifies the bits
    > and then
    >         > PGP signs them.  And then the bits are uploaded off the RM's
    > computer to
    >         > Maven Staging or dist.a.o/dev.   If that uploading turns out to
    > be a point
    >         > of failure, we have the option of having Jenkins upload the big
    > files and
    >         > have the RM only upload PGP signature files.  Or finding a way
    > for Jenkins
    >         > to get the signature files from the RM.  The uploads worked fine
    > for me,
    >         > but then again, so did the old script's uploads.
    >         >
    >         > Therefore, once I get the binary verification phase completed, I
    > think
    >         > someone other than me should be the RM and try to use these
    > steps to
    >         > generate the release and help debug the process for the next
    > RM.  So,
    >         > please try to carve out some time to be the RM.  One advantage
    > of doing
    >         > most of the work on Jenkins is that it frees up my computer to
    > do other
    >         > things while Jenkins is cranking away.
    >         >
    >         > I think we're at least a week away from binary verification,
    > maybe two, so
    >         > it is time to start thinking about what is going in this 
release.
    >         >
    >         > Thanks,
    >         > -Alex
    >         >
    >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    > wrote:
    >         >
    >         >     In case you haven't guessed, I'm testing out Jenkins and its
    > ability
    >         > to create the artifacts and send emails.  Please ignore any
    > email that
    >         > looks like a vote or discuss thread.
    >         >
    >         >     Thanks,
    >         >     -Alex
    >         >
    >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    > wrote:
    >         >
    >         >         Om,
    >         >
    >         >         Well, that's what I used for the last release.  I'm sure
    > there is
    >         > probably some inaccuracy in it.
    >         >
    >         >         That said, I'm abandoning that document and taking a new
    > angle
    >         > because that document presumed that the release manager was
    > trying to
    >         > create a release on his/her computer.  I've given up on that and
    > working on
    >         > making releases from a shared computer for the reasons I've
    > stated
    >         > upthread.  I hope to make some progress on that this week.
    >         >
    >         >         The key difference is that the new angle does not
    > presume that you
    >         > have Git SSH and PGP signatures all set up on some computer.  I
    > have not
    >         > looked into how Docker would handle that.  You certainly
    > wouldn't want the
    >         > Docker image to contain your SSH or PGP keys/creds.   And if the
    > Docker
    >         > image doesn't, then that is another stumbling block for future
    > RMs.
    >         >
    >         >         The other key difference is that the old script presumed
    > you could
    >         > create the 3 release in 3 huge "easy" steps.  We've seen that is
    > only true
    >         > for me.  So the new angle creates many discrete steps managed by
    > Jenkins.
    >         >
    >         >         So, it is up to you to decide what you want to
    > "Docker-ize".  You
    >         > can try to Docker-ize the current 3 big steps, so RMs can try to
    > run it on
    >         > their systems, but I'd bet they will just faiI due to network
    > issues.  I
    >         > would be interested in using Docker to make each of these many
    > discrete
    >         > steps portable to another server.   I'm not going to involve
    > Docker at this
    >         > point.  My main goal is just to see if I can create a workflow
    > of many
    >         > discrete steps that isn't horribly painful.  Once we see what
    > these steps
    >         > turn out to be, then we can worry about server portability of
    > those steps.
    >         >
    >         >         Either way, we want to know about running
    > Browser+Selenium for
    >         > sure.  And maybe FlashPlayerDebugger or AIR.  I would want to
    > know, for
    >         > example, how you debug a failing checkintest in a Docker
    > container.
    >         >
    >         >         Thanks,
    >         >         -Alex
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <
    > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         > wrote:
    >         >
    >         >             Alex,
    >         >
    >         >             Just to be clear, I am following the steps from here
    > to try
    >         > and setup a
    >         >             docker container.
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             Is this doc up to date?
    >         >
    >         >             Thanks,
    >         >             Om
    >         >
    >         >             On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:02 PM OmPrakash Muppirala 
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    >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >             wrote:
    >         >
    >         >             > One approach is to have each step in the process
    > spin up a
    >         > docker image.
    >         >             > And use docker-compose to run each step.  All the
    > images can
    >         > be made to
    >         >             > share a common volume where all the artifacts are
    > stored
    >         > across steps.
    >         >             >
    >         >             > You are right about the networking issue though.
    > Any
    >         > network related
    >         >             > failure that occurs on the host machine will most
    > likely
    >         > occur in the
    >         >             > docker container.  Although, I am not clear how we
    > can
    >         > guarantee that the
    >         >             > same issues will not occur on the Jenkins server.
    > I mean,
    >         > what is special
    >         >             > about the Jenkins server that makes it immune to
    > these
    >         > networking issues?
    >         >             >
    >         >             > Thanks,
    >         >             > Om
    >         >             >
    >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM Alex Harui
    >         > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    >         >             > wrote:
    >         >             >
    >         >             >> Again, I don't know anything about Docker, but
    > before we
    >         > spend a lot of
    >         >             >> time on Docker, I also want to point out that the
    > process
    >         > to create a
    >         >             >> release cannot really be thought of as "one
    > application".
    >         > It will be a
    >         >             >> series of "steps" to run.    How many steps
    > depends on
    >         > whether we think we
    >         >             >> can isolate enough stuff via Docker to be able to
    > run
    >         > Docker on the RM's
    >         >             >> computer instead of some shared computer.  On a
    > shared
    >         > computer there will
    >         >             >> be dozens of steps because the RM will need to
    > enter
    >         > passwords to commit
    >         >             >> stuff.  On a local computer I guess the RM can
    > supply
    >         > passwords but I think
    >         >             >> there will be stopping points where the Maven
    > artifacts are
    >         > deployed and
    >         >             >> the staging repo is closed, and another stopping
    > point for
    >         > the vote.  It
    >         >             >> seems like Docker works by downloading
    > dependencies.  Given
    >         > that the
    >         >             >> problem the RMs had last time involved downloads
    > and
    >         > uploads, why do we
    >         >             >> think Docker will really solve this for creating
    > releases
    >         > on local machines?
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >> The reason to do this on a shared machine is so
    > that new
    >         > RMs don't have
    >         >             >> to do as much setup.  But then I wonder about the
    >         > efficiency of kicking off
    >         >             >> that many Docker images.  Jenkins can manage that
    > already.
    >         > Does Docker
    >         >             >> have some sort of similar Dashboard or would we
    > use Jenkins
    >         > to kick off
    >         >             >> Docker steps?  I can't quite picture what is the
    > outermost
    >         >             >> control/dashboard.
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >> -Alex
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >> On 2/6/19, 11:03 AM, "Harbs" <
    > harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >>     A quick search turns up this:
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>
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    >         >             >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >> >
    >         >             >>
    >         >             >>     > On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Alex Harui
    >         > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    >         >             >> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     > Thanks for volunteering to try it Om.  IMO,
    > even more
    >         > important
    >         >             >> than Firefox+Flash is SomeBrowser+Selenium.  We
    > may also
    >         > need to run Adobe
    >         >             >> AIR's adb.  We could probably turn off the Flash
    > tests or
    >         > replace Flash
    >         >             >> with AIR.
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     > Thanks,
    >         >             >>     > -Alex
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     > On 2/6/19, 10:54 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >         >             >> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     >    Hi Om, that would be great! waiting for
    > your
    >         > experience with a
    >         >             >> that! :)
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     >    El mié., 6 feb. 2019 a las 19:31,
    > OmPrakash
    >         > Muppirala (<
    >         >             >> bigosma...@gmail.com>)
    >         >             >>     >    escribió:
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     >> Yes, I agree with Alex about not being
    > able to run
    >         > UI out of docker
    >         >             >>     >> containers.  I never thought of the
    > checkintests
    >         > when I made the
    >         >             >>     >> suggestion.
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>     >> The firefox-flash image that Yishay
    > pointed out
    >         > looks promising.
    >         >             >> I will
    >         >             >>     >> poke around with it and see if that works
    > for us.
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>     >> Thanks,
    >         >             >>     >> Om
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>     >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:41 AM Yishay
    > Weiss <
    >         >             >> yishayj...@hotmail.com>
    >         >             >>     >> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>     >>> I’ll let Om or someone else with docker
    > experience
    >         > tell us if
    >         >             >> this [1] is
    >         >             >>     >>> relevant.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> [1]
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> ________________________________
    >         >             >>     >>> From: Alex Harui 
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    > >
    >         >             >>     >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019
    > 10:05:54 AM
    >         >             >>     >>> To: dev@royale.apache.org
    >         >             >>     >>> Subject: Re: 0.9.6 Release
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> I don't anything about docker, but in 15
    > minutes of
    >         > reading I ran
    >         >             >> into
    >         >             >>     >>> this:
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> Which says: Docker can't " Run
    > applications with
    >         > graphical
    >         >             >> interfaces".
    >         >             >>     >>> If you want Royale to use Docker for
    > releases, show
    >         > that it can
    >         >             >> run
    >         >             >>     >>> checkintests with Flash and the Browser.
    > Then I
    >         > will look into
    >         >             >> it more.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> The highest level goal is to make it as
    > easy as
    >         > possible for
    >         >             >> someone to
    >         >             >>     >>> volunteer to be an RM.  Any requirement
    > of "install
    >         > this (Docker,
    >         >             >> etc) on
    >         >             >>     >>> your computer" is, IMO, another barrier
    > to entry.
    >         > Yeah, RMs will
    >         >             >> have to
    >         >             >>     >>> have Maven installed and maybe Ant, but
    > you should
    >         > already have
    >         >             >> those
    >         >             >>     >>> installed to be a committer/PMC member.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> That said, a good takeaway from the
    > Docker idea is
    >         > to try to find
    >         >             >> a way
    >         >             >>     >> to
    >         >             >>     >>> make an "Image" of whatever we end up
    > with on
    >         > whatever server we
    >         >             >> end up
    >         >             >>     >>> using so if the image can be copied and
    > used on
    >         > other servers.
    >         >             >> I'm not
    >         >             >>     >>> exactly sure how to do that with Azure,
    > which hosts
    >         > my CI
    >         >             >> server.  I will
    >         >             >>     >>> spend a few more minutes researching 
that.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> I could not quickly find any way to get a
    > free VM
    >         > on Azure or AWS
    >         >             >> that
    >         >             >>     >>> isn't a
    > free-trial-start-paying-after-a-year.  So,
    >         > unless someone
    >         >             >> comes
    >         >             >>     >> up
    >         >             >>     >>> with a free server we can use "forever",
    > I'm going
    >         > to just start
    >         >             >> with my
    >         >             >>     >>> Azure VM.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> -Alex
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>> On 2/5/19, 10:59 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    >         >             >> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    Hi.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    the plan sounds very good to me. Just
    > my 2
    >         > thoughts on this:
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    1.- As I was reading I was thinking as
    > well on
    >         > something like
    >         >             >> Docker
    >         >             >>     >>> and
    >         >             >>     >>>    see Om as well thinking on the same.
    > Maybe is
    >         > the way to this
    >         >             >> with
    >         >             >>     >> the
    >         >             >>     >>>    actual technology. Seems VMs are
    > stepping out a
    >         > bit this days
    >         >             >> in
    >         >             >>     >> favor
    >         >             >>     >>> of
    >         >             >>     >>>    things like Docker. Maybe the same did
    > Git over
    >         > Svn, and today
    >         >             >> Svn is
    >         >             >>     >>> an
    >         >             >>     >>>    old remembrance. I must say that I
    > have no
    >         > experience with
    >         >             >> Docker, so
    >         >             >>     >>> doing
    >         >             >>     >>>    that will require acquire that
    > knowledge, but
    >         > seems it could
    >         >             >> be worth
    >         >             >>     >>> it.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    2.- Maybe is not possible, but I want
    > to propose
    >         > to do this
    >         >             >> work I a
    >         >             >>     >>>    separate branch, so it could be in
    > parallel to
    >         > other
    >         >             >> developments. I
    >         >             >>     >>> think
    >         >             >>     >>>    work over develop is practical if
    > there's
    >         > something tiny that
    >         >             >> could
    >         >             >>     >> be
    >         >             >>     >>> done
    >         >             >>     >>>    in a commit. But as we need more than
    > one, or is
    >         > a long
    >         >             >> process (like
    >         >             >>     >>>    this), chances are to make develop
    > branch
    >         > unstable and even
    >         >             >> for some
    >         >             >>     >>> days.
    >         >             >>     >>>    I think we should try to avoid that
    > scenario,
    >         > and branches are
    >         >             >> the
    >         >             >>     >> best
    >         >             >>     >>>    way. If we do this way, we'll benefit
    > of more
    >         > reliable develop
    >         >             >>     >> branch.
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    Thanks and good to know of this plan 
:)
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    Carlos
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    El mar., 5 feb. 2019 a las 23:19,
    > Harbs (<
    >         >             >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>)
    >         >             >>     >>> escribió:
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>> I’ve never used Docker myself, but that
    > might be a
    >         > good plan.
    >         >             >>     >>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 12:07 AM, OmPrakash
    > Muppirala <
    >         >             >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com>
    >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>> I was wondering if we can use docker
    > images to
    >         > setup and seal
    >         >             >> the
    >         >             >>     >>> RM
    >         >             >>     >>>>> environment.  Then other RMs simply
    > need to run
    >         > the image
    >         >             >> locally
    >         >             >>     >>> and run
    >         >             >>     >>>>> the release scripts.  Might be easier.
    > If folks
    >         > like this plan,
    >         >             >>     >> I
    >         >             >>     >>> can
    >         >             >>     >>>> try
    >         >             >>     >>>>> to put something together.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>> Thanks,
    >         >             >>     >>>>> Om
    >         >             >>     >>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:40 PM Harbs <
    >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> In a recent discussion, it looks like
    > other
    >         > projects have
    >         >             >> gotten
    >         >             >>     >>>> resources
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> from AWS.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> Whatever service we use, could setup a
    > “shared”
    >         > Royale account
    >         >             >>     >>> that all
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> PMC members could have access to.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> I don’t know if there’s some way we
    > could
    >         > leverage Gitlab’s
    >         >             >>     >>> integration
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> pipelines
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>
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    >         >             >>     >>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:33 PM, Alex
    > Harui
    >         >             >>     >> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    >         >             >>     >>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>> Well, the big hole in this plan is
    > that I think
    >         > we have to use
    >         >             >>     >>>> someone's
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> personal VM account (in this case,
    > mine).  I
    >         > can't think of a
    >         >             >>     >> way
    >         >             >>     >>> we can
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> run interactive commands like git push
    > on builds@.
    >         > But that
    >         >             >>     >>> reminds me
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> to go see what are current options are
    > for
    >         > free/cheap compute
    >         >             >>     >>> servers.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On 2/5/19, 1:20 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" 
<
    >         >             >>     >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
    >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  Sounds like best plan ever. Using
    > the same PC
    >         > by everyone is
    >         >             >>     >>> awesome!
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 8:39 PM Harbs <
    >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com
    >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> A big +1 from me!
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Looking forward!
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Alex
    > Harui
    >         >             >>     >>> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> Hi,
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> We are coming up on 3 months since
    > 0.9.4.  I
    >         > have finished
    >         >             >>     >> the
    >         >             >>     >>>> changes
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> to get production Royale modules to
    > work in
    >         > Tour De Flex.
    >         >             >>     >> Lots
    >         >             >>     >>> of
    >         >             >>     >>>> other
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> good changes have been contributed.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> There were emails around the 0.9.4
    > release
    >         > about others
    >         >             >>     >>> stepping up
    >         >             >>     >>>> to
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> cut the next release, but that 
hasn't
    >         > happened.  I tried and
    >         >             >>     >>> failed to
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> get
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Apache Infra to allow us to run our
    > release
    >         > packaging on the
    >         >             >>     >>> Jenkins
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> servers.  They felt there were too
    > many
    >         > security concerns
    >         >             >> with
    >         >             >>     >>> having
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> the
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> servers push changes to Git and PGP
    > sign
    >         > artifacts.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> However, we MUST find a way for
    > other RMs to
    >         > be successful.
    >         >             >>     >>> There is
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> no
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> way I should or want to be the only
    > RM.  But I
    >         > have an idea
    >         >             >>     >> that
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> involves
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> creating a long list of Jenkins jobs
    > on my CI
    >         > server that add
    >         >             >>     >>> up to
    >         >             >>     >>>> the
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> release.  The RM would log into
    > Jenkins and
    >         > run some job
    >         >             >>     >> titled
    >         >             >>     >>>> "Apache
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Royale Release Step 1", then wait
    > for an email
    >         > indicating
    >         >             >> that
    >         >             >>     >>> it
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> completed
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> and follow instructions in the
    > email, such as
    >         > logging into
    >         >             >> the
    >         >             >>     >>> CI
    >         >             >>     >>>> server
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> via Remote Desktop, opening a
    > command prompt
    >         > and running "git
    >         >             >>     >>> push"
    >         >             >>     >>>> and
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> entering his/her username and
    > password.  Then
    >         > run the next
    >         >             >> job
    >         >             >>     >>> and so
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> on.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> There will be a point where the RM
    > has to
    >         > download the build
    >         >             >>     >>>> artifacts,
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> verify them, then PGP sign them, and
    > upload
    >         > them.  That will
    >         >             >>     >> be
    >         >             >>     >>> a
    >         >             >>     >>>> likely
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> point of failure, but that step
    > should be a
    >         > single Maven
    >         >             >>     >>> command and
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> thus
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> can be restarted until it finally
    > succeeds.
    >         > Then more
    >         >             >> Jenkins
    >         >             >>     >>> jobs
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> will be
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> run.  But if this works then folks
    > won't have
    >         > to setup their
    >         >             >>     >>> computers
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> to
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> be an RM.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> So, prepare for lots of commits and
    > reverts
    >         > as I try to put
    >         >             >>     >>> this
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> together.  I'm guessing it won't
    > actually work
    >         > until the last
    >         >             >>     >>> week of
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> February at the earliest so there is
    > no big
    >         > rush to get other
    >         >             >>     >>> stuff in
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> for
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> this release, and if we get it to
    > work,
    >         > hopefully we'll
    >         >             >>     >> release
    >         >             >>     >>> more
    >         >             >>     >>>>>> often
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> with other folks being the RM.
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> -Alex
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>    --
    >         >             >>     >>>    Carlos Rovira
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>
    >         >
    > 
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    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>>
    >         >             >>     >>
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>     >    --
    >         >             >>     >    Carlos Rovira
    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>
    >         >
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    >         >             >>     >
    >         >             >>
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    >         >             >>
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    >
    >         --
    >         Carlos Rovira
    >
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