Hi Greg,

It turns out I have a "split shift" today.  I'm stopping work for the next 7 or 
8 hours then will get around to the merge.  So if you can get your changes 
merged in that amount of time, then I will wait for you and deal with any merge 
conflicts (there are almost certain to be some).

-Alex

On 6/10/19, 11:46 AM, "Greg Dove" <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alex, slightly OT, but in terms of coordination: fyi I am also very close
    to merging the language improvements branch into develop. As I already
    mentioned elsewhere, I was hoping to do that a couple of days back, but
    some recent things also took me a little longer than expected (I have
    additional local changes/fixes not yet in remote branch) . I was planning
    to merge that today also.
    
    However, I will wait until after your merge, so I'm hoping you can get
    yours in today (if not, I will wait). I will probably put mine in as a
    squashed commit after yours.
    
    
    On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:05 AM Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    
    > Hi Alex,
    >
    > Many thanks for that! I will try to be RM. I will have some dedicated time
    > for that. I will wait for your instruction and merge to develop.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Piotr
    >
    >
    > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 7:31 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
    >
    > > Well, that turned out to be much more time-consuming than I expected, 
but
    > > we can now create identical release artifacts on Mac and Win.  I am
    > hopeful
    > > this effort will pay off not only now in having other folks generate
    > > releases, but also in the future if signed binaries become a 
requirement.
    > >
    > > There continues to be a lot of distractions in my life that can cause
    > > delays, but I hope to merge the release_practice branches into develop
    > over
    > > the next day or two and figure out where in the wiki to document the
    > > release process.  So, now is the time for one or more people to step up
    > to
    > > be the RMs for 0.9.6 and help debug and improve the process.
    > >
    > > I am going to try very hard not to "own" the process.  If something goes
    > > wrong, I am going to ask others to try to debug and fix it first because
    > it
    > > is in the project's best interests for others to truly understand how
    > this
    > > stuff works.
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > -Alex
    > >
    > > On 5/23/19, 9:54 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
    > >
    > >     It has turned out to be harder than expected to get the same 
binaries
    > > on Mac and Win.  I now have the identical binaries for royale-compiler
    > and
    > > royale-typedefs Maven artifacts and am starting on royale-asjs.  I might
    > > get lucky and the changes that fixed royale-typedefs SWCs will magically
    > > get the royale-asjs SWCs to match.  Then we have to make the Ant
    > artifacts
    > > match.
    > >
    > >     There have been a lot of distractions in my non-work life which has
    > > also impeded progress.  I hope to make much progress this coming week 
and
    > > if we're lucky, I will be asking for a volunteer (or volunteers) to test
    > > drive all of this stuff and be the RM for 0.9.6.  I am not going to be
    > the
    > > RM.
    > >
    > >     -Alex
    > >
    > >     On 5/23/19, 9:39 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >         Hi Alex,
    > >
    > >         It's been a while since you have started effort with automating
    > > build.
    > >         Where are you with that ? Are we closer to started 0.9.6. Do you
    > > need any
    > >         help with this ?
    > >
    > >         Thanks,
    > >         Piotr
    > >
    > >         wt., 2 kwi 2019 o 19:30 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    > > napisał(a):
    > >
    > >         > Update:
    > >         >
    > >         > In order to make verification of binary release packages
    > created
    > > on the
    > >         > server easier, I have made changes to our build scripts and
    > > tools to try to
    > >         > generate reproducible binaries.  I've seen two different 
builds
    > > compare on
    > >         > my Mac.   The next challenge will be to see if the server can
    > > build a
    > >         > package on Windows that will compare on Mac.
    > >         >
    > >         > One of the changes I needed to make is to JBurg.  The version
    > of
    > > JBurg we
    > >         > use generates method names including a hash that doesn't
    > > reproduce the same
    > >         > name each time.  I have changes to JBurg ready, however JBurg
    > is
    > > currently
    > >         > under CPL which is category B.  We only need one file, we 
don't
    > > need or
    > >         > want all of JBurg at this time.  The one JBurg file is jointly
    > > owned by
    > >         > Adobe and Tom Harwood.  I've contact Tom and he will be filing
    > > an ICLA and
    > >         > has given me permission to commit the lines he owns in that 
one
    > > file.
    > >         >
    > >         > This is the revision of the file that will be donated by
    > > Tom/Adobe.
    > >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > 
https://sourceforge.net/p/jburg/code/ci/66c287943376a74ac791f3d3bf969ab160bf80ff/tree/src/generator/jburg/burg/JBurgGenerator.java
    > >         >
    > >         > Once this file goes in with the changes to keep the method
    > names
    > > the same,
    > >         > there will be more tweaks to the release tasks and then we can
    > > try cutting
    > >         > a release.  I'm thinking we'll be at that point in early May,
    > so
    > > now is the
    > >         > time to get stuff in for the 0.9.6 release.
    > >         >
    > >         > Thanks,
    > >         > -Alex
    > >         >
    > >         > On 3/8/19, 9:27 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
    > >         >
    > >         >     I would much rather have others find and fix issues
    > > themselves.  That
    > >         > way, more people than just me will know how to maintain the
    > > system.  It
    > >         > actually turns out that, IMO, a group of people can work on 
the
    > > release.
    > >         > There are 14 steps.  Literally, 14 different people could
    > > execute one step
    > >         > each.
    > >         >
    > >         >     My 2 cents,
    > >         >     -Alex
    > >         >
    > >         >     On 3/8/19, 2:13 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <
    > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    > > wrote:
    > >         >
    > >         >         Hi Alex,
    > >         >
    > >         >         amazing work! congrats to reach to this point! :)
    > >         >
    > >         >         I need to put my head on all of this, but count on me
    > to
    > > be a RM.
    > >         > I think
    > >         >         the best thing should be that you be the first RM to
    > try
    > > your own
    > >         >         development at least for the first time, and then the
    > > rest of us
    > >         > will
    > >         >         follow you on the next releases. With all this on 
place
    > > we maybe
    > >         > could
    > >         >         release once a month or every two months...
    > >         >
    > >         >         Thanks for doing this :)
    > >         >
    > >         >         Carlos
    > >         >
    > >         >
    > >         >         El vie., 8 mar. 2019 a las 1:55, Alex Harui
    > >         > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>)
    > >         >         escribió:
    > >         >
    > >         >         > OK, I've now seen Jenkins perform the steps to build
    > > the release
    > >         >         > artifacts.  Folks interested in Docker-izing the
    > steps
    > > are
    > >         > welcome to look
    > >         >         > at the jobs on the "Royale Release" tab on the CI
    > > server.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > 
http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/view/Royale%20Release/
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         > These steps assume that the RM can run the basic
    > Maven
    > > and Ant
    > >         > build on
    > >         >         > the RM's computer. I think that's a fair requirement
    > > since all
    > >         > of us on the
    > >         >         > PMC need to able to do that to build the RC in order
    > > to vote on
    > >         > it.
    > >         >         >  Jenkins does other tasks like run the Maven release
    > > plugin
    > >         > steps.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         > Currently that results in binaries on Jenkins that
    > are
    > >         > downloaded to the
    > >         >         > RM's computer.  These binaries need to be verified 
by
    > > the RM
    > >         > which is the
    > >         >         > next phase I will be starting on now.  The RM
    > verifies
    > > the bits
    > >         > and then
    > >         >         > PGP signs them.  And then the bits are uploaded off
    > > the RM's
    > >         > computer to
    > >         >         > Maven Staging or dist.a.o/dev.   If that uploading
    > > turns out to
    > >         > be a point
    > >         >         > of failure, we have the option of having Jenkins
    > > upload the big
    > >         > files and
    > >         >         > have the RM only upload PGP signature files.  Or
    > > finding a way
    > >         > for Jenkins
    > >         >         > to get the signature files from the RM.  The uploads
    > > worked fine
    > >         > for me,
    > >         >         > but then again, so did the old script's uploads.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         > Therefore, once I get the binary verification phase
    > > completed, I
    > >         > think
    > >         >         > someone other than me should be the RM and try to 
use
    > > these
    > >         > steps to
    > >         >         > generate the release and help debug the process for
    > > the next
    > >         > RM.  So,
    > >         >         > please try to carve out some time to be the RM.  One
    > > advantage
    > >         > of doing
    > >         >         > most of the work on Jenkins is that it frees up my
    > > computer to
    > >         > do other
    > >         >         > things while Jenkins is cranking away.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         > I think we're at least a week away from binary
    > > verification,
    > >         > maybe two, so
    > >         >         > it is time to start thinking about what is going in
    > > this release.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         > Thanks,
    > >         >         > -Alex
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         > On 3/7/19, 4:15 PM, "Alex Harui"
    > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    > >         > wrote:
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >     In case you haven't guessed, I'm testing out
    > > Jenkins and its
    > >         > ability
    > >         >         > to create the artifacts and send emails.  Please
    > > ignore any
    > >         > email that
    > >         >         > looks like a vote or discuss thread.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >     Thanks,
    > >         >         >     -Alex
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >     On 2/10/19, 8:44 PM, "Alex Harui"
    > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    > >         > wrote:
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         Om,
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         Well, that's what I used for the last
    > > release.  I'm sure
    > >         > there is
    > >         >         > probably some inaccuracy in it.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         That said, I'm abandoning that document and
    > > taking a new
    > >         > angle
    > >         >         > because that document presumed that the release
    > > manager was
    > >         > trying to
    > >         >         > create a release on his/her computer.  I've given up
    > > on that and
    > >         > working on
    > >         >         > making releases from a shared computer for the
    > reasons
    > > I've
    > >         > stated
    > >         >         > upthread.  I hope to make some progress on that this
    > > week.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         The key difference is that the new angle 
does
    > > not
    > >         > presume that you
    > >         >         > have Git SSH and PGP signatures all set up on some
    > > computer.  I
    > >         > have not
    > >         >         > looked into how Docker would handle that.  You
    > > certainly
    > >         > wouldn't want the
    > >         >         > Docker image to contain your SSH or PGP keys/creds.
    > >  And if the
    > >         > Docker
    > >         >         > image doesn't, then that is another stumbling block
    > > for future
    > >         > RMs.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         The other key difference is that the old
    > > script presumed
    > >         > you could
    > >         >         > create the 3 release in 3 huge "easy" steps.  We've
    > > seen that is
    > >         > only true
    > >         >         > for me.  So the new angle creates many discrete 
steps
    > > managed by
    > >         > Jenkins.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         So, it is up to you to decide what you want
    > to
    > >         > "Docker-ize".  You
    > >         >         > can try to Docker-ize the current 3 big steps, so 
RMs
    > > can try to
    > >         > run it on
    > >         >         > their systems, but I'd bet they will just faiI due 
to
    > > network
    > >         > issues.  I
    > >         >         > would be interested in using Docker to make each of
    > > these many
    > >         > discrete
    > >         >         > steps portable to another server.   I'm not going to
    > > involve
    > >         > Docker at this
    > >         >         > point.  My main goal is just to see if I can create 
a
    > > workflow
    > >         > of many
    > >         >         > discrete steps that isn't horribly painful.  Once we
    > > see what
    > >         > these steps
    > >         >         > turn out to be, then we can worry about server
    > > portability of
    > >         > those steps.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         Either way, we want to know about running
    > >         > Browser+Selenium for
    > >         >         > sure.  And maybe FlashPlayerDebugger or AIR.  I 
would
    > > want to
    > >         > know, for
    > >         >         > example, how you debug a failing checkintest in a
    > > Docker
    > >         > container.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         Thanks,
    > >         >         >         -Alex
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >         On 2/10/19, 5:18 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <
    > >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    > >         >         > wrote:
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >             Alex,
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >             Just to be clear, I am following the
    > steps
    > > from here
    > >         > to try
    > >         >         > and setup a
    > >         >         >             docker container.
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/Release-Manager-Notes
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >             Is this doc up to date?
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >             Thanks,
    > >         >         >             Om
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >             On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:02 PM 
OmPrakash
    > > Muppirala <
    > >         >         > bigosma...@gmail.com>
    > >         >         >             wrote:
    > >         >         >
    > >         >         >             > One approach is to have each step in
    > the
    > > process
    > >         > spin up a
    > >         >         > docker image.
    > >         >         >             > And use docker-compose to run each
    > > step.  All the
    > >         > images can
    > >         >         > be made to
    > >         >         >             > share a common volume where all the
    > > artifacts are
    > >         > stored
    > >         >         > across steps.
    > >         >         >             >
    > >         >         >             > You are right about the networking
    > issue
    > > though.
    > >         > Any
    > >         >         > network related
    > >         >         >             > failure that occurs on the host 
machine
    > > will most
    > >         > likely
    > >         >         > occur in the
    > >         >         >             > docker container.  Although, I am not
    > > clear how we
    > >         > can
    > >         >         > guarantee that the
    > >         >         >             > same issues will not occur on the
    > > Jenkins server.
    > >         > I mean,
    > >         >         > what is special
    > >         >         >             > about the Jenkins server that makes it
    > > immune to
    > >         > these
    > >         >         > networking issues?
    > >         >         >             >
    > >         >         >             > Thanks,
    > >         >         >             > Om
    > >         >         >             >
    > >         >         >             > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:48 AM Alex
    > > Harui
    > >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    > >         >         >             > wrote:
    > >         >         >             >
    > >         >         >             >> Again, I don't know anything about
    > > Docker, but
    > >         > before we
    > >         >         > spend a lot of
    > >         >         >             >> time on Docker, I also want to point
    > > out that the
    > >         > process
    > >         >         > to create a
    > >         >         >             >> release cannot really be thought of 
as
    > > "one
    > >         > application".
    > >         >         > It will be a
    > >         >         >             >> series of "steps" to run.    How many
    > > steps
    > >         > depends on
    > >         >         > whether we think we
    > >         >         >             >> can isolate enough stuff via Docker 
to
    > > be able to
    > >         > run
    > >         >         > Docker on the RM's
    > >         >         >             >> computer instead of some shared
    > > computer.  On a
    > >         > shared
    > >         >         > computer there will
    > >         >         >             >> be dozens of steps because the RM 
will
    > > need to
    > >         > enter
    > >         >         > passwords to commit
    > >         >         >             >> stuff.  On a local computer I guess
    > the
    > > RM can
    > >         > supply
    > >         >         > passwords but I think
    > >         >         >             >> there will be stopping points where
    > the
    > > Maven
    > >         > artifacts are
    > >         >         > deployed and
    > >         >         >             >> the staging repo is closed, and
    > another
    > > stopping
    > >         > point for
    > >         >         > the vote.  It
    > >         >         >             >> seems like Docker works by 
downloading
    > >         > dependencies.  Given
    > >         >         > that the
    > >         >         >             >> problem the RMs had last time 
involved
    > > downloads
    > >         > and
    > >         >         > uploads, why do we
    > >         >         >             >> think Docker will really solve this
    > for
    > > creating
    > >         > releases
    > >         >         > on local machines?
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >> The reason to do this on a shared
    > > machine is so
    > >         > that new
    > >         >         > RMs don't have
    > >         >         >             >> to do as much setup.  But then I
    > wonder
    > > about the
    > >         >         > efficiency of kicking off
    > >         >         >             >> that many Docker images.  Jenkins can
    > > manage that
    > >         > already.
    > >         >         > Does Docker
    > >         >         >             >> have some sort of similar Dashboard 
or
    > > would we
    > >         > use Jenkins
    > >         >         > to kick off
    > >         >         >             >> Docker steps?  I can't quite picture
    > > what is the
    > >         > outermost
    > >         >         >             >> control/dashboard.
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >> -Alex
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >> On 2/6/19, 11:03 AM, "Harbs" <
    > >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >>     A quick search turns up this:
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://codingsans.com/blog/selenium-with-docker-testing
    > >         >         >             >> <
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://codingsans.com/blog/selenium-with-docker-testing
    > >         >         >             >> >
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://www.blazemeter.com/blog/how-to-run-selenium-tests-in-docker
    > >         >         >             >> <
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://www.blazemeter.com/blog/how-to-run-selenium-tests-in-docker
    > >         >         >             >> >
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/docker-selenium
    > >         >         >             >> <
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://github.com/SeleniumHQ/docker-selenium
    > >         >         >             >> >
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >             >>     > On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:59 PM, 
Alex
    > > Harui
    > >         >         > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    > >         >         >             >> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >
    > >         >         >             >>     > Thanks for volunteering to try
    > it
    > > Om.  IMO,
    > >         > even more
    > >         >         > important
    > >         >         >             >> than Firefox+Flash is
    > > SomeBrowser+Selenium.  We
    > >         > may also
    > >         >         > need to run Adobe
    > >         >         >             >> AIR's adb.  We could probably turn 
off
    > > the Flash
    > >         > tests or
    > >         >         > replace Flash
    > >         >         >             >> with AIR.
    > >         >         >             >>     >
    > >         >         >             >>     > Thanks,
    > >         >         >             >>     > -Alex
    > >         >         >             >>     >
    > >         >         >             >>     > On 2/6/19, 10:54 AM, "Carlos
    > > Rovira" <
    > >         >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    > >         >         >             >> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >
    > >         >         >             >>     >    Hi Om, that would be great!
    > > waiting for
    > >         > your
    > >         >         > experience with a
    > >         >         >             >> that! :)
    > >         >         >             >>     >
    > >         >         >             >>     >    El mié., 6 feb. 2019 a las
    > > 19:31,
    > >         > OmPrakash
    > >         >         > Muppirala (<
    > >         >         >             >> bigosma...@gmail.com>)
    > >         >         >             >>     >    escribió:
    > >         >         >             >>     >
    > >         >         >             >>     >> Yes, I agree with Alex about
    > not
    > > being
    > >         > able to run
    > >         >         > UI out of docker
    > >         >         >             >>     >> containers.  I never thought 
of
    > > the
    > >         > checkintests
    > >         >         > when I made the
    > >         >         >             >>     >> suggestion.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>     >> The firefox-flash image that
    > > Yishay
    > >         > pointed out
    > >         >         > looks promising.
    > >         >         >             >> I will
    > >         >         >             >>     >> poke around with it and see if
    > > that works
    > >         > for us.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>     >> Thanks,
    > >         >         >             >>     >> Om
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>     >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 12:41 
AM
    > > Yishay
    > >         > Weiss <
    > >         >         >             >> yishayj...@hotmail.com>
    > >         >         >             >>     >> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> I’ll let Om or someone else
    > > with docker
    > >         > experience
    > >         >         > tell us if
    > >         >         >             >> this [1] is
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> relevant.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> [1]
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://hub.docker.com/r/beli/firefox-flash/
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > ________________________________
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> From: Alex Harui
    > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    > >         > >
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 6,
    > > 2019
    > >         > 10:05:54 AM
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> To: dev@royale.apache.org
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> Subject: Re: 0.9.6 Release
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> I don't anything about 
docker,
    > > but in 15
    > >         > minutes of
    > >         >         > reading I ran
    > >         >         >             >> into
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> this:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > 
https://www.channelfutures.com/open-source/when-not-to-use-docker-understanding-the-limitations-of-containers
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> Which says: Docker can't " 
Run
    > >         > applications with
    > >         >         > graphical
    > >         >         >             >> interfaces".
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> If you want Royale to use
    > > Docker for
    > >         > releases, show
    > >         >         > that it can
    > >         >         >             >> run
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> checkintests with Flash and
    > the
    > > Browser.
    > >         > Then I
    > >         >         > will look into
    > >         >         >             >> it more.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> The highest level goal is to
    > > make it as
    > >         > easy as
    > >         >         > possible for
    > >         >         >             >> someone to
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> volunteer to be an RM.  Any
    > > requirement
    > >         > of "install
    > >         >         > this (Docker,
    > >         >         >             >> etc) on
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> your computer" is, IMO,
    > another
    > > barrier
    > >         > to entry.
    > >         >         > Yeah, RMs will
    > >         >         >             >> have to
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> have Maven installed and 
maybe
    > > Ant, but
    > >         > you should
    > >         >         > already have
    > >         >         >             >> those
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> installed to be a
    > committer/PMC
    > > member.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> That said, a good takeaway
    > from
    > > the
    > >         > Docker idea is
    > >         >         > to try to find
    > >         >         >             >> a way
    > >         >         >             >>     >> to
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> make an "Image" of whatever 
we
    > > end up
    > >         > with on
    > >         >         > whatever server we
    > >         >         >             >> end up
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> using so if the image can be
    > > copied and
    > >         > used on
    > >         >         > other servers.
    > >         >         >             >> I'm not
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> exactly sure how to do that
    > > with Azure,
    > >         > which hosts
    > >         >         > my CI
    > >         >         >             >> server.  I will
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> spend a few more minutes
    > > researching that.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> I could not quickly find any
    > > way to get a
    > >         > free VM
    > >         >         > on Azure or AWS
    > >         >         >             >> that
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> isn't a
    > >         > free-trial-start-paying-after-a-year.  So,
    > >         >         > unless someone
    > >         >         >             >> comes
    > >         >         >             >>     >> up
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> with a free server we can use
    > > "forever",
    > >         > I'm going
    > >         >         > to just start
    > >         >         >             >> with my
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> Azure VM.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> -Alex
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> On 2/5/19, 10:59 PM, "Carlos
    > > Rovira" <
    > >         >         > carlosrov...@apache.org>
    > >         >         >             >> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    Hi.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    the plan sounds very good
    > to
    > > me. Just
    > >         > my 2
    > >         >         > thoughts on this:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    1.- As I was reading I was
    > > thinking as
    > >         > well on
    > >         >         > something like
    > >         >         >             >> Docker
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> and
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    see Om as well thinking on
    > > the same.
    > >         > Maybe is
    > >         >         > the way to this
    > >         >         >             >> with
    > >         >         >             >>     >> the
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    actual technology. Seems
    > VMs
    > > are
    > >         > stepping out a
    > >         >         > bit this days
    > >         >         >             >> in
    > >         >         >             >>     >> favor
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> of
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    things like Docker. Maybe
    > > the same did
    > >         > Git over
    > >         >         > Svn, and today
    > >         >         >             >> Svn is
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> an
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    old remembrance. I must 
say
    > > that I
    > >         > have no
    > >         >         > experience with
    > >         >         >             >> Docker, so
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> doing
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    that will require acquire
    > > that
    > >         > knowledge, but
    > >         >         > seems it could
    > >         >         >             >> be worth
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> it.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    2.- Maybe is not possible,
    > > but I want
    > >         > to propose
    > >         >         > to do this
    > >         >         >             >> work I a
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    separate branch, so it
    > could
    > > be in
    > >         > parallel to
    > >         >         > other
    > >         >         >             >> developments. I
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> think
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    work over develop is
    > > practical if
    > >         > there's
    > >         >         > something tiny that
    > >         >         >             >> could
    > >         >         >             >>     >> be
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> done
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    in a commit. But as we 
need
    > > more than
    > >         > one, or is
    > >         >         > a long
    > >         >         >             >> process (like
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    this), chances are to make
    > > develop
    > >         > branch
    > >         >         > unstable and even
    > >         >         >             >> for some
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> days.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    I think we should try to
    > > avoid that
    > >         > scenario,
    > >         >         > and branches are
    > >         >         >             >> the
    > >         >         >             >>     >> best
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    way. If we do this way,
    > > we'll benefit
    > >         > of more
    > >         >         > reliable develop
    > >         >         >             >>     >> branch.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    Thanks and good to know of
    > > this plan :)
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    Carlos
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>    El mar., 5 feb. 2019 a las
    > > 23:19,
    > >         > Harbs (<
    > >         >         >             >> harbs.li...@gmail.com>)
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> escribió:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> I’ve never used Docker
    > myself,
    > > but that
    > >         > might be a
    > >         >         > good plan.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 12:07 
AM,
    > > OmPrakash
    > >         > Muppirala <
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> bigosma...@gmail.com>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> I was wondering if we can
    > use
    > > docker
    > >         > images to
    > >         >         > setup and seal
    > >         >         >             >> the
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> RM
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> environment.  Then other 
RMs
    > > simply
    > >         > need to run
    > >         >         > the image
    > >         >         >             >> locally
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> and run
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> the release scripts.  Might
    > > be easier.
    > >         > If folks
    > >         >         > like this plan,
    > >         >         >             >>     >> I
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> can
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> try
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> to put something together.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> Thanks,
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> Om
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:40
    > > PM Harbs <
    > >         >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> In a recent discussion, it
    > > looks like
    > >         > other
    > >         >         > projects have
    > >         >         >             >> gotten
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> resources
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> from AWS.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> Whatever service we use,
    > > could setup a
    > >         > “shared”
    > >         >         > Royale account
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> that all
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> PMC members could have
    > > access to.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> I don’t know if there’s
    > some
    > > way we
    > >         > could
    > >         >         > leverage Gitlab’s
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> integration
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> pipelines
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/README.html
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> <
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>
    > >         >         >             >>
    > >         >         >
    > >         >
    > >
    > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/README.html
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:33
    > > PM, Alex
    > >         > Harui
    > >         >         >             >>     >> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> Well, the big hole in 
this
    > > plan is
    > >         > that I think
    > >         >         > we have to use
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> someone's
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> personal VM account (in
    > this
    > > case,
    > >         > mine).  I
    > >         >         > can't think of a
    > >         >         >             >>     >> way
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> we can
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> run interactive commands
    > > like git push
    > >         > on builds@.
    > >         >         > But that
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> reminds me
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> to go see what are current
    > > options are
    > >         > for
    > >         >         > free/cheap compute
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> servers.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>> On 2/5/19, 1:20 PM, 
"Piotr
    > > Zarzycki" <
    > >         >         >             >>     >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  Sounds like best plan
    > > ever. Using
    > >         > the same PC
    > >         >         > by everyone is
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> awesome!
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 
8:39
    > > PM Harbs <
    > >         >         > harbs.li...@gmail.com
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> A big +1 from me!
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Looking forward!
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:34
    > > PM, Alex
    > >         > Harui
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> wrote:
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> Hi,
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> We are coming up on 3
    > > months since
    > >         > 0.9.4.  I
    > >         >         > have finished
    > >         >         >             >>     >> the
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> changes
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> to get production Royale
    > > modules to
    > >         > work in
    > >         >         > Tour De Flex.
    > >         >         >             >>     >> Lots
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> of
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> other
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> good changes have been
    > > contributed.
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>>
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>>> There were emails 
around
    > > the 0.9.4
    > >         > release
    > >         >         > about others
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> stepping up
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>> to
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> cut the next release, 
but
    > > that hasn't
    > >         >         > happened.  I tried and
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> failed to
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>> get
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> Apache Infra to allow us
    > > to run our
    > >         > release
    > >         >         > packaging on the
    > >         >         >             >>     >>> Jenkins
    > >         >         >             >>     >>>>>>>> servers.  They felt 
there
    > > were too
    > >         > many
    > >         >         > security concerns
    > >         >         >             >> with
    > >         >         >
    >
    

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