Node/npm is pretty normal prerequisite for most JS development these days, but I understand your point.
Ideally, we should be encouraging developers to start with the JS-only version, which doesn't require any of those special dependencies (other than Java, which is necessary to run the compiler). -- Josh Tynjala Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 2:41 PM Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote: > Instructions that require Ant or npm are not, in my humble opinion, > entry-level instructions. I should not have to be an SDK constructor in > order to use Royale to build the apps I want to build. > > The instructions need to be a TON clearer, and more obvious from the > typical entry points where a new user would encounter Royale. We should > possibly also add qualifiers to any statements that an IDE like Moonshine > supports Royale. It does not support Royale as we deliver it, but only > after it has been tweaked by processes that are obvious to those developing > Royale but not to the world at large. > > Sorry if I sound irked, but consider that my reaction may mirror that of > many who want to try Royale out but trip over the starting line. > > Andrew > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 5:52 PM Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> > wrote: > > > The main royale-asjs README mentions the Adobe stuff as optional > > dependencies, but the instructions seem to be aimed at contributors: > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs#additional-prerequisites-for-swf-output > > > > What a non-contributor user is expected to do appears to be mentioned on > > this page (it requires running the InstallAdobeSDKs.xml Ant script): > > > > https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/download-royale > > > > I recall that if you install the npm version of Royale, it will ask to > > download the Adobe dependencies for you. That's probably the easiest way > > for a new user to get started. > > > > -- > > Josh Tynjala > > Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:44 PM Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks @Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> . Do we say that > > > anywhere in the instructions where a new user would run into it? > > > > > > > > > < > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Virus-free. > > > www.avast.com > > > < > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > <#m_-3106823410389824051_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 5:27 PM Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> If you downloaded the js-swf binary distribution, you need to add the > > >> Adobe > > >> dependencies manually. We cannot distribute them. > > >> > > >> The playerglobal.swc in the js-only version is not the real one from > > >> Adobe. > > >> It's just a placeholder to make certain IDEs happy. I think it's just > a > > >> copy of js.swc. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Josh Tynjala > > >> Bowler Hat LLC <https://bowlerhat.dev> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:16 PM Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > I wiped out the previous project and tried again with the Royale > > JS-SWF > > >> > version. When I try to compile the project in Moonshine for either > JS > > or > > >> > Flash, I see this error message: "This SDK does not contains > > >> > playerglobal.swc in frameworks\libs\player\11.7\playerglobal.swc. > > >> Download > > >> > playerglobal here". When I look in the package for the JS-only > > version, > > >> > playerglobal is there. I do not see it in the JS_SWF version. > > >> > > > >> > < > > >> > > > >> > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > >> > > > > >> > Virus-free. > > >> > www.avast.com > > >> > < > > >> > > > >> > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > >> > > > > >> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:07 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > When you build with AIR_HOME (which is required to create release > > >> > > artifacts, since we want to produce both jsonly and js-swf in one > > >> run), a > > >> > > different target called "jsonly-package" run and tries to muck > with > > >> some > > >> > > files before packaging the js-only artifacts. It could be that > the > > >> > > jsonly-package needs updating now that SWF SWCs are listed in > > >> > > royale-config.xml. That means we've had this bug for months and > > >> nobody > > >> > > noticed until now. > > >> > > > > >> > > -Alex > > >> > > > > >> > > On 10/9/19, 9:38 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > It looks like the Ant target that updates the library-path for > > the > > >> > > JS-only > > >> > > build is called tweak-for-jsonly. Copied here for convenience: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apache.org%2Fasn0i&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=7h3ZHxgGsfZqP8kE22amKQYDr7%2BNyQa7EpoG86147uU%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > > > >> > > I see that it has unless="env.AIR_HOME", which means that this > > >> target > > >> > > is > > >> > > skipped if the AIR_HOME environment variable is set. With that > > in > > >> > > mind, I'm > > >> > > guessing that AIR_HOME needs to be set for the js-swf build, > but > > >> > > cleared > > >> > > for the js-only build. > > >> > > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > Josh Tynjala > > >> > > Bowler Hat LLC < > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbowlerhat.dev&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=Ih2P7zf2c%2BLPn5ktks02EE7k6s24RKcabVem7VqjWeg%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:52 AM Piotr Zarzycki < > > >> > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Guys, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It looks like we have broken royale-config in released SDK. > > >> Andrew > > >> > > raised > > >> > > > in Moonshine GitHub issue that he couldn't build Hello World > > >> > > project. I > > >> > > > tried Moonshine and downloaded JS-only version of SDK. I get > > >> > > following > > >> > > > error [1]. > > >> > > > I downloaded JS-SWF version and tried compile project again > - > > >> this > > >> > > time it > > >> > > > went fine. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > JS-only version of released 0.9.6 contains in section > > >> > > <library-path> - > > >> > > > list of swc. - Those swc doesn't exists in JS-only. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Fragment of config > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > <library-path> > > >> > > > > <path-element>libs/Basic.swc</path-element> > > >> > > > > <path-element>libs/Binding.swc</path-element> > > >> > > > > <path-element>libs/Charts.swc</path-element> > > >> > > > > <path-element>libs/Collections.swc</path-element> > > >> > > > > <path-element>libs/Core.swc</path-element> > > >> > > > > .... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > JS-only nightly build of 0.9.7 - doesn't contains in that > > >> section > > >> > > anything > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > <library-path> > > >> > > > > </library-path> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > [1] > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpaste.apache.org%2F2lgvk&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=IebVohnQGkmg%2BAO2RJCS2LRTdP3LQE0NoQ%2BUt7xlOJI%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Patreon: * > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=BmbfQaY1AjgUQk61TOlDZqRi1jWSJWDFaxgzaFiw1c4%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > > < > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C972794372a8a4037148008d74cd72cc9%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637062359364655836&sdata=BmbfQaY1AjgUQk61TOlDZqRi1jWSJWDFaxgzaFiw1c4%3D&reserved=0 > > >> > > >* > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Andrew Wetmore > > >> > > > >> > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > < > > >> > > > >> > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > >> > > > > >> > Virus-free. > > >> > www.avast.com > > >> > < > > >> > > > >> > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > >> > > > > >> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew Wetmore > > > > > > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Virus-free. > > > www.avast.com > > > < > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > <#m_-3106823410389824051_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > > > -- > Andrew Wetmore > > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >
