Once I get the core-container split out into it's own
provider/service/whatever started by a context listener, we should do v3 as
a servlet giving us a clean slate, and easy access to verbs. I suspect v2
was made much more difficult by the fact that it had to co-exist with a lot
of other code inside a filter.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:04 AM Jan Høydahl <[email protected]> wrote:

> +1 to experimental
>
> If we want to be more standards-based, embrace OpenAPI and perhaps more
> standardized RBAC frameworks, then I believe there will be a v3 API based
> on JAX-RS or something, with more active use of http verbs.
> While v2 is harder for devs to use and remember, it has somewhat better
> practices wrt no mutating state with GET requests, which is the worst thing
> about v1 imo.
>
> Even a v2 or v3 API can have some "convenience" things built-in. I.e.
> allowing common operations with a simple URL param rather than having to
> add a POST body for all.
>
> Jan
>
> 5. nov. 2021 kl. 10:54 skrev Eric Pugh <[email protected]>:
>
> I can live with “experimental” ;-)
>
> On Nov 4, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Shawn Heisey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 11/4/21 1:20 PM, Jason Gerlowski wrote:
>
> With that in mind, I think the next steps here should probably be to:
>
> 1. decide what label or term we want to go with ("evolving"?
> "experimental"? "beta"?), and
> 2. figure out what the best way to publicize change in policy.
>
> For (1) my vote is probably still "experimental".  If others care
> enough to chime in though I'm happy to go with whatever's most
> popular.
>
>
> From what I have seen, an experimental designation is the right way to go
> for v2.  If we don't do that, then I think we have to cease development on
> v2 and create something like v3, designating THAT as experimental.  I don't
> see much value in coming up with a synonym that means the same thing.
>
> Eric expressed some concern that "experimental" implies that v2 might
> not get adopted.  IMO that implication might not be a bad thing;
> Houston is talking about making the APIs more RESTful, Tim wants to
> add OpenAPI support, and there were lots of other changes suggested in
> this thread alone.
>
>
>
> Also from what I have seen, v2 is not ready for adoption yet, so I think
> we call it experimental and get ready to really overhaul it.  I believe I
> heard somebody say it's incomplete compared to the original API, plus the
> community has a lot of ideas about major additions and/or fundamental
> changes in its design.  If we eat our own dog food by using the v2 API in
> things like SolrJ, scripts, and the admin UI, we are more likely to try and
> come up with stable designs that don't need to be thrown out frequently.
> The experimental designation would make it possible for us to throw
> something out and begin again if we find that the existing design of that
> component is too limiting.
>
> I would like to eventually (in 10.0, maybe) get to a point where we
> declare the original API as deprecated and remove the experimental
> designation from v2.  At that point we only make new bells and whistles
> available in v2 ... and then a major version or two after that, we remove
> the old API entirely. Backward compatibility is an important goal to strive
> for, but it can't be maintained forever.
>
> This is possibly a pipe dream:  I would like a new API to be able to do as
> much as possible with URL parameters, only REQUIRING a body on the request
> for things that are complex, or where a body is a natural pathway, like
> indexing.  Of course it should also be possible to put EVERYTHING into the
> body and send no URL parameters at all.  I think they call this wanting to
> have my cake and eat it too. :)  Like I said ... might be a pipe dream.
>
> Something I have found to be invaluable is the fact that a LOT of things
> can be done and tested with the original API simply by typing a URL into a
> browser.  If everything MUST be done with a request body, I would find that
> to be extremely inconvenient. If the community thinks that's the right
> thing to do, then I will adapt.  It's not all that difficult to send a body
> with something like curl.  And that requirement might make people more
> cautious about how they interact with Solr.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
>
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