I'm fine with keeping the GitHub traffic if we can a) take away the Jenkins build started / build finished / build succeeded / build failed messages. Those aren't "dev discussion" and are very noisy. I don't think they help anyone, and people who care about those for a particular PR (because they're a reviewer or author on it) are already subscribed through GitHub. b) change the format of the emails that are sent out; I find them very poorly formatted. I'd prefer no deep tab for the message.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-dev/201402.mbox/%3c20140210192901.ce834922...@tyr.zones.apache.org%3E FWIW I'm filtering all emails from g...@git.apache.org straight to trash right now because of the noise. On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Guys, > > Whether you are a TLP or not the big key here is making sure that > dev discussion does not happen elsewhere outside of the list. You > can create e.g., a github-dev@spark.a.o list, but you will need > to make sure that: > > a) if dev discussion is happening there that it gets flowed up to > dev@spark.a.o. All development discussion must appear on the dev > list and must be traceable as a project discussion and decisions > appear on the list(s). > > b) automated/etc. email is simply that, and there isn't a ton of > discussion going on on those github emails, and that it's mostly > going on on the dev@spark.a.o list. > > If you can meet those 2 criteria/litmus test, I think it's fine. > The big concern is that if the discussion is not happening elsewhere, > then the decisions make for Apache Spark are based on information > that isn't co-located with the Apache Spark project. So that's the > thing that the PMC needs to keep in mind (note I said PMC now, yay!) :) > > Cheers and just keep the above in mind and you'll be good. > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Konwinski <andykonwin...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org > > > Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:36 PM > To: "dev@spark.incubator.apache.org" <dev@spark.incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Signal/Noise Ratio > > >That is a very valid point about the list archives (which a mail filter > >doesn't address and which impacts the community in a negative way). > > > >As of today we are a Top Level Project so I think we have a little more > >autonomy for this sort of dev vs separate list decision. > > > > > >On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Ethan Jewett <esjew...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Is there anything stopping us from using a different list, segregated > >>from > >> the dev list? The Github emails significantly reduce the signal-noise > >>ratio > >> of this list, and while it is possible (but annoying) to filter them > >>out in > >> our individual inboxes, it makes the archives of the list much less > >>usable > >> in many ways. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Aaron Davidson <ilike...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > This is due, unfortunately, to Apache policies that all > >> development-related > >> > discussion should take place on the dev list. As we are attempting to > >> > graduate from an incubating project to an Apache top level project, > >>there > >> > were some concerns raised about GitHub, and the fastest solution to > >>avoid > >> > conflict related to our graduation was to CC dev@ for all GitHub > >> messages. > >> > Once our graduation is complete, we may be able to find a less noisy > >>way > >> of > >> > dealing with these messages. > >> > > >> > In the meantime, one simple solution is to filter out all messages > >>that > >> > come from g...@git.apache.org and are destined to > >> > dev@spark.incubator.apache.org. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Gerard Maas <gerard.m...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > +1 please. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Michael Ernest > >><mfern...@cloudera.com > >> > > >wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > +1 > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Heiko Braun < > >> ike.br...@googlemail.com > >> > > > >wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Wouldn't it be better to move the github messages to a dedicated > >> > email > >> > > > > list? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Regards, Heiko > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Michael Ernest > >> > > > Sr. Solutions Consultant > >> > > > West Coast > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >
