Hi! All,

I have been monitoring this topic for a while , and it seem to me that
the discussion on this list should cover a much larger community then an
in person meeting, hence i do not understand why we would need ApacheCon
to graduate this project.
I also believe that we are all putting significant effort into this
project form multiple companies, so I strongly believe this project is
ready for graduation.

Thanks,
Luca

On 03/31/2014 09:35 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am intentionally not replying to any previous discussions as I will not be 
> doing justice chiming in late. I was following the project closely until late 
> November and since then only managed to keep track of private lists and not 
> so much of the dev list. I will share my random views which may or may not 
> resonate accurately. 
>
> * In November, when a flag was raised to not to rush to graduation and 
> instead focus on diversity, the PPMC has well received the suggestion and did 
> put in effort. That by itself speaks something. So I think we should not pull 
> the strings too far. I certainly sense the rush for graduation again, but I 
> personally do not see anything wrong with it now and I feel the project has 
> earned it. 
>
> * From my own experience, I feel following stratos dev list and contributing 
> to the project is like drinking from a fire-hose. I think the project can do 
> better in providing and maintaining incumbent tasks, documents and exploring 
> other means. But I do not see this as a blocker for graduation. From what I 
> have seen (atleast until November), the PPMC has been putting effort in doing 
> hangouts and other forms of architecture discussions on mailing list. Whether 
> these have yielded or not, I do not want to quantify it. To me as a mentor, I 
> would like to see the intent and I have clearly seen it right from the 
> beginning. To put it other way, I have not seen any reluctance or 
> unwelcomeness. 
>
> *  I have noticed Stratos GSoC proposals while helping with GSoC 
> administration. (without divulging into details) I am pleased to see mentors 
> from this PPMC pro-active participation. The students were also able to 
> navigate enough to and propose projects. To me this tells both a positive 
> story as well as missed opportunities from casual contributors. One reason I 
> can think of why only GSoC students succeeded to get around and not others 
> (with a observed assumption from noticing a handful of students randomly 
> jumping into other cloud related projects) is stratos barrier is high and the 
> project is overwhelming. Rapid changes to architectures in the past few 
> months has raised the bar of needed volunteer time. Hopefully once that slows 
> down, the project will be more attractive (rather contributors will find a 
> way to catch up). 
>
> * Going forward (irrespective of the graduation), the project should really 
> has to put extra effort to attract casual contributions. I think they go a 
> long way. Again maintaining lot of starter tasks, providing good developer 
> documentation and test cases to validate these contributions and so on. 
>
> Orthogonal to all these random observations, I am fully in favor of 
> graduation readiness and very pleased to see the discussion converge and 
> charter being circulated. May be we can move to the PPMC vote soon and take 
> it from there. 
>
> Cheers,
> Suresh
>
> P.S Trying to catch up with all the missed action, I appreciate and admire 
> the hands-on mentoring Noah, Chip and others were able to manage. 

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