Yes, it was very useful. There is still the impression that Stratos is heavily dependent on WSO2, as far as developers and the like, but it is clear that WSO2 is not *directing* Stratos.
On Apr 22, 2014, at 3:18 AM, Paul Fremantle <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim > > Did you have some good discussions? > > Paul > > > On 31 March 2014 15:03, Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote: > I will be honest: I was going to wait until post-ApacheCon to > gauge my thoughts on graduation. It seemed to me that the > Keynote and possible BOFs would be a good way to get > some more "external" insights. > > I would propose we wait until then, if that's OK. > > On Mar 26, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Paul Fremantle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Can I propose we therefore go ahead with a vote and put together a > > resolution? I've taken a first pass at a resolution by basic cut and paste > > from previous. > > > > I'd also like to propose Lakmal as the potential VP. > > > > Paul > > > > Initial draft of Resolution: > > > > Establish the Apache Stratos Project > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > > the public, related to providing an implementation of a > > Platform-as-a-Service foundation. > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Stratos Project", > > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > > Foundation; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Stratos Project be and hereby is > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > > related to providing an implementation of a Platform-as-a-Service > > foundation; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Stratos" be > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > > of the Apache Stratos Project, and to have primary responsibility > > for management of the projects within the scope of > > responsibility of the Apache Stratos Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > > Apache Stratos Project: > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that XXXXXXX > > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Stratos, to > > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, > > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Stratos PMC be and hereby is > > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > > encourage open development and increased participation in the > > Apache Stratos Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Stratos Project be and hereby > > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache > > Incubator Stratos podling; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > Incubator Stratos podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > > Project are hereafter discharged. > > > > > > > > On 26 March 2014 00:45, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Ross! That seems accurate to me. :) > > > > > > On 26 March 2014 00:50, Ross Gardler <[email protected]> wrote: > > My name came up and so my filters drew me to this interesting thread. > > > > Before I comment I should point out that I have not reviewed all the > > archives, only this thread. I should also point out that although I > > championed this project I did not take on a role as a mentor and have not > > been tracking the project. My opinion is therefore non-binding. > > > > Taking this thread as my only source of data I see no community related > > reason why the project should not move for graduation. There seems to be a > > little disconnect over what is required in reporting new committers etc. I > > hope mentors are addressing that and I trust mentors have ensured releases > > are being conducted correctly. But from a community perspective things look > > fine. > > > > Noah has asked whether the PMC is having issues with recognizing non-WSO2 > > contributions. Noah has not pointed to specific cases where this can be > > seen happening, he is merely raising it as a potential issue. From what I > > can tell Noah is more interested in having the PPMC think about and more > > clearly document the meritocratic process for this project. This is > > important, but need not be a blocker on graduation. The PPMC will > > eventually figure out that it needs to be done if the project is to > > succeed. Indeed, we see evidence of actions in the PPMC to directly address > > this. > > > > There is no requirement for diversity in an Apache project, only a > > requirement for the project to operate in a way that facilitates diversity. > > I see no evidence of Stratos avoiding diversity. > > > > Lets not forget that things can always be done better, our goal should not > > be perfection or projects would never graduate. > > > > Ross > > > > > > Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > > Senior Technology Evangelist > > Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. > > A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 March 2014 10:06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 23 March 2014 17:10, Lakmal Warusawithana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > All together we have done 9 votes, 6 for wso2 and 3 for non-wso2. (I know > > > some are still not announced but all vote are finalized, hence the current > > > status) > > > > Those numbers look much better. > > > > (Though I still don't think we should be talking about un-announced > > elections. These people may not accept yet, or the IPMC/board might > > reject the appointments, and that could be embarrassing for them. We > > have to be very circumspect about this sort of thing!) > > > > I still suspect we ought to wait a little while longer to see how this > > plays out. > > > > Its clear your view on this is to wait. That's fine - you are of course > > entitled to your view. As a long time ASF Member I personally think your > > view is rather narrow on this but obviously that's my biased view. > > > > According to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/stratos.html, there are a > > bunch of mentors and of course we have Ross as the champion. What do the > > rest of the mentors think? > > > > Champion rgardler Ross Gardler > > Mentors azeez Afkham Azeez > > . smarru Suresh Marru > > . mpierce Marlon Pierce > > . chipchilders Chip Childers > > . mnour Mohammad Nour > > . nslater Noah Slater > > . antelder Ant Elder > > In an earlier reply to this thread Chip pretty much said he feels we're > > good to go forward. However I will not put words in anyone's email! In any > > case we need to hear from the other 6 mentors too. > > > > Sanjiva. > > -- > > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ > > email: [email protected]; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345) x5700; > > cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311 > > blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva > > Lean . Enterprise . 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