Also, we don't know what you guys are cooking up many times, as evidenced by the addition (I believe it was Martin) made a night or two ago that was along the lines of what I had done but for the 1.3 branch... it seems like my work prompted him to do something similar, and because he could simply do it and add it without any discussion, he "beats me to the punch", in essence. Plus, this was without any discussion that I saw (I apologize if I missed it) on the public lists. How is someone like me or Jack that wants to get involved supposed to do so under those conditions? Why would we *ever* put the time in without knowing (a) whether it will be accepted or not and (b) that one of the Struts team won't just go do it themselves?
Well, that was me, actually. And there had been lots of prior discussion, as cited by Hubert in three URLs in a message which motivated me to finally do it. That prior discussion dates back more than a year.
But no, I didn't beat you to the punch, if you feel that a solution is necessary which works with Struts 1.2 without using struts-chain.
As Ted correctly says, we're all volunteers, but the difference is that you guys know your contributions aren't a waste of time (mostly... I realize other members can veto your additions). We don't have the luxury of that knowledge before we put the time in.
But look at SSL/Ext, or Struts Test Case. Or Hubert's FormDef project. Or AppFuse. These are all things which help people use Struts. There are others.
You know, I made a proposal a week or two ago to develop a site that would track enhancements being worked on, who was doing it, etc. I offered to do the site development work and even host it. It was rejected for various reasons. I still believe something along those lines would go a long way to helping alleviate this problem, and no, I still do not agree that the Wiki and/or Bugzilla serves this purpose.
I remember the proposal, although I don't remember how it was meant to stay accurate and up to date. To be honest (and hopefully not appearing rude), I don't see how having this site would help me have the time to put stuff there, or anyone else who is working on various features.
I'm not meaning this email to be the final word, or to imply that there the problems you raise are immaterial, but I think those problems are inherent to a community like ours, made up of a bunch of distributed volunteers. I don't even have the bandwidth I'd like to cut code and participate in all of the discussions on the Struts lists, let alone having extra bandwidth for community engineering.
Joe
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