Ummm... I guess you guys don't do a lot of debugging then? You would rather imagine what a value was a certain point in time rather then actually know what is was? If you never make mistakes then there is no issue but if you think a value is 'x' it only take 5 seconds to be 100% sure. Of course there is System.out.println but are you going to add those for all 10, 15 values in question?
I agree that a lot of IDE features are overrated. I'm also not a big fan of Eclipse either but that is not the only IDE. There are some things an IDE gives you that I think you're crazy to miss out on. Managing all of your packages and classpaths is trivial. Then there are the refactoring tools. I don't know if it makes sense to use a text editor just because you are "mad at your IDE." Maybe you should get a better IDE? Try JBuilder 2005. The free version does everything you vi lovers would need. I don't buy the argument that IDE's are slow. I agreed with that argument when the first java based IDE's emerged in the 90's but we're way past that point. You can also turn off most of the questionably helpful stuff that you are complaining about. My 2 cents. You are free to use whatever you want of course. Just thought it would be a fun Friday topic to find out what the IDE haters are thinking. I'm pretty comfortable sticking with mine but whatever "flips your boat." sean On 12/9/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a good point Greg, and it applies for me too... I have a number > of different IDEs installed, and on occassion I will use a feature of > one or another... I've pulled stuff into IDEA and used its code > inspectors for example. I've used an Eclipse plug-in here and there > too. So it's not like I *never* touch an IDE, but for me its very > targeted usages, I can't imagine being in any of them all day. > > Frank > > Greg Reddin wrote: > > > > On Dec 9, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Sean Schofield wrote: > > > >>> Please keep in mind that there are still a good number of people who do > >>> not use an IDE at all. > >>> > >> > >> Why on earth would you someone do such a thing? Seriously. I'd like > >> to know :-) > > > > > > Bragging rights, what else :-) > > > > There are occasions when I simply use vi and ant/maven/etc. either > > because I'm wanting to be closer to the bits and know what's going on > > or I'm too lazy to start Netbeans or because I'm pissed off at > > Netbeans. Then as soon as i have to code a JavaBean with a bunch of > > gets/sets I'll fire it up. Or do some refactoring, etc. > > > > So it just depends on my mood. When I feel trapped by the IDE I'll > > move it out of the way. When I feel trapped by the command line I fire > > up the IDE. Sometimes I like to go without an IDE just so I will not > > forget what the IDE is really doing for me. > > > > And sometimes it's because I'm using a new tool and either the IDE > > doesn't support it yet or I'm trying to learn it first before I try to > > learn how the IDE wants me to use it. Case in point: Creator and > > JSF. On my first JSF app I'm doing it at the command line using > > NetBeans for coding and maven to build. Then I'll probably do my next > > one in Creator so I can see what kind of value it adds. > > > > I used to think people who used multiple IDE's had a death wish, but > > now I'm seeing the value in that too. For example, Creator is based on > > Netbeans 4, but I like some features in Netbeand 5. So I'm starting to > > use Creator in places where it makes sense to do so, Netbeans > > elsewhere, and maven to compile/run/test everything. I haven't tried > > Eclipse yet :-) > > > > Greg > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Frank W. Zammetti > Founder and Chief Software Architect > Omnytex Technologies > http://www.omnytex.com > AIM: fzammetti > Yahoo: fzammetti > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
