Oh, and another point about IDEs: slowness. You can't just compare the speed of the Vi text editor to the speed of IDEA's text editor. It doesn't work that way.
I can type psvm<tab> and get a full public static void main declaration printed out. I can press ctrl-insert and generate getters and setters for all my properties. I can press ctrl-f6 and refactor a method, in turn changing 100 other class files instantly. I can press ctrl-enter and surround a method with a try/catch block and know that my catch block is logging the exception properly without even typing anything. You have to look at the overall productivity boosts, and you can't do that until you actually know all the features of both. I used to use JDE in Emacs and it had some advanced Java support, but nothing compared to the time I save when using IDEA. Patrick On 12/9/05, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heh, don't have time to read this whole thread right now, but I'd say this: > > The IDE and the tools are one of Java's key strengths. We should > embrace those strengths. I'm always amazed by how many Java developers > still don't even know how to debug, or launch Tomcat or Jetty or Resin > from within their IDE for a super quick development environment. > > Vi and Emacs are for Ruby folks and perl hackers. Let's embrace the > fact that Java refactors well and has great tools to help out. As a > community we should encourage people to use IDEA or Eclipse (if you > can't afford IDEA), and teach them how to debug, and show them how > they can launch the servlet container in their IDE. > > WebWork 2.2 includes an app called QuickStart that launches Jetty from > anywhere. We're including instructions on how to use it within your > IDE to help you work faster. We're trying to teach the community about > the tools they never knew about. > > At every job I've had, when I came in my coworkers were using emacs > and building .war files and manually deploying them to Tomcat. After > they learned how to use IDEA, launch Jetty from within IDEA, and step > through their code, they all agreed they had huge productivity boosts. > > Patrick > > On 12/9/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please keep in mind that there are still a good number of people who do > > > not use an IDE at all. > > > > Why on earth would you someone do such a thing? Seriously. I'd like > > to know :-) > > > > > Frank W. Zammetti > > > > sean > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
