On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
That depends entirely on your meaning of the word "closed". You
make the
argument that the number of new committers means it isn't closed,
and I
agree with you to a degree. But that's not the only meaning of
"closed"... the invitations to those people came *soley* from the PMC
AFAIK... the community had no say in it. That's the thing my proposal
seeks to address, that the initiation of someone being invited doesn't
necessarily have to come from those already there (although they would
still have the final say-so).
I have some serious concerns about this. Let me just use myself as
an example. I've been a committer for about 6 months or so. I have
absolutely no idea what sort of discussion took place before I
received that invitation. If there was someone among the PMC who was
vehemently opposed to my nomination I'm glad they had a confidential
forum in which to discuss their concerns. Now that I am a committer
I can have an unbiased conversation with anybody else in the group
without any preconceived notion of what that individual's opinion of
me might be. Truly, I don't have confidence that either user@ or
dev@ is a place where concerns can be expressed openly without fear
of unprofessional response. It's just too easy for this kind of
discussion to turn into personal attacks in a forum such as user@ or
even [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When Struts was a Jakarta subproject I remember committer votes
taking place on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always felt just a little uneasy about it.
99 times out of 100 it was a unanimous +1 with no discussion. But I
seem to recall at least one case when concerns were expressed (sorry,
I don't remember the specifics, please correct me if I'm wrong). I
feel really bad that this person's personal merit would have to be
discussed in a public forum. I understand some others' concerns
about the community appearing to be closed, but I think there should
be a barrier to entry. Maybe it's too high, but it seems to me that
it should exist. After all it's basically a lifetime appointment and
revocations are very rare if one has ever happened at all.
Greg
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