I come up with 2073 for me since 4/2004 (yeah, and I Google myself every
now and again too... so shoot me! LOL)
I wouldn't put much stock in these numbers frankly... I don't really
believe I've posted *only* 2073 messages in two years... hell, I
probably posted that many LAST MONTH! :-)
Frank
Dakota Jack wrote:
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment that is really what trolling is
all about. There are clearly more than I found by doing a general search for
Redding. Try doing one for Frank and see what happens, Martin. I really
could vomit when I hear that feminine English "pity".
On 4/25/06, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is a case in point: I count four (4) posts to the dev list in Greg
Reddin's history.
Pity you can't count.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=2&r=1&s=greg.reddin&q=a
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Martin Cooper
He is a committer. On the user list there is also
virtually nothing. What stands out is that he was interested in a
couple
of
posts in Shale. What is the possible reason he is a committer and Frank
is
not? Is this the Way Different Struts-Apache Way. This is crazy! Do
people actually believe Ted and Craig?
On 4/25/06, Greg Reddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
That depends entirely on your meaning of the word "closed". You
make the
argument that the number of new committers means it isn't closed,
and I
agree with you to a degree. But that's not the only meaning of
"closed"... the invitations to those people came *soley* from the
PMC
AFAIK... the community had no say in it. That's the thing my
proposal
seeks to address, that the initiation of someone being invited
doesn't
necessarily have to come from those already there (although they
would
still have the final say-so).
I have some serious concerns about this. Let me just use myself as
an example. I've been a committer for about 6 months or so. I have
absolutely no idea what sort of discussion took place before I
received that invitation. If there was someone among the PMC who was
vehemently opposed to my nomination I'm glad they had a confidential
forum in which to discuss their concerns. Now that I am a committer
I can have an unbiased conversation with anybody else in the group
without any preconceived notion of what that individual's opinion of
me might be. Truly, I don't have confidence that either user@ or
dev@ is a place where concerns can be expressed openly without fear
of unprofessional response. It's just too easy for this kind of
discussion to turn into personal attacks in a forum such as user@ or
even [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When Struts was a Jakarta subproject I remember committer votes
taking place on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always felt just a little uneasy about it.
99 times out of 100 it was a unanimous +1 with no discussion. But I
seem to recall at least one case when concerns were expressed (sorry,
I don't remember the specifics, please correct me if I'm wrong). I
feel really bad that this person's personal merit would have to be
discussed in a public forum. I understand some others' concerns
about the community appearing to be closed, but I think there should
be a barrier to entry. Maybe it's too high, but it seems to me that
it should exist. After all it's basically a lifetime appointment and
revocations are very rare if one has ever happened at all.
Greg
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