I'd like to add a +1 to Ted's remarks.
The nightly builds (including j4 binaries) are done by a process that
I run from the Apache Struts zone box. I may very well be wrong, but
I was under the impression that those j4 binaries were for
convenience only and not part of the official distribution that I
have to support if I +1 for a GA.
I agree with you Ted about the need for these being community
driven. In fact, late last year, the nightly process had stopped
somehow and no one even noticed for many weeks. That was a pretty
clear indicator for me as to just how many people were using the
nightlies (j4 included).
--
James Mitchell
On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
On Jan 12, 2008 12:24 PM, Antonio Petrelli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
2008/1/12, Tom Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I disagree, I think there is a support cost. If users are having
issues
with the 1.4 stuff, (which happens more often than not) then we're
obligated to assist that user.
Obligated? Come on we are all volunteers, we are not obliged to do
anything: we do it because we like what we do.
It's true that we're volunteers, and any of us can walk away whenever
we like, but it's also true that when we vote +1 on a GA, each voter
is saying that he or she intends to help support the release. If the
release includes a J4 distribution, it means that we are each saying
that we will make a good-faith effort to support that distribution
too.
If none of the committers are using the J4 builds in production now,
and we have no realistic expectation that any of us are going to try
and support the J4 builds, then it's dishonest to include them.
Long term I
think we will drop the 1.4 stuff at some point, it's just a
matter of
figuring out when.
I think that if we drop the 1.4 stuff, we lose a lot of audience.
If it means we are going to lose active contributors, then I say we
should keep doing it.
If it means we are going to lose anonymous users who don't contribute
to the project, then I don't care.
Another advantage is the builds become a bit simpler. (Or at least
there's a chunk of the build that goes away)
Retrotranslation seems a pretty fast process to me.
It is fast, but the artifacts add to the clutter and confusion. The
question is whether it's gaining us active contributors. Not
freeloaders who just download the software, but volunteers who answer
mailing list posts and provide patches.
A year ago, the answer was yes. Now, I'm not so sure.
-Ted.
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