@Anders: i agree but it doesn't mean we need to call packages "something". Mapping, binding etc seems more appropriate for half of them and listener/event for the other part, wdyt?
Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau http://www.tomitribe.com http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com https://github.com/rmannibucau 2014-12-04 14:49 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: > @romain: +1 > (i was going to write something similar - let's use useful package-names) > > regards, > gerhard > > > > 2014-12-04 14:45 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>: > >> tamaya config cdi -> cdi package? >> tamaya pojo binding -> binding package? >> >> annotation is way too generic to help anyone, it is like searching for >> "java" on google now >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> @rmannibucau >> http://www.tomitribe.com >> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com >> https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> >> 2014-12-03 21:57 GMT+01:00 Oliver B. Fischer <o.b.fisc...@swe-blog.net>: >> > @gerhard This is true but we should also think about the usability of an >> > API. Packages with too many elements are always a pain. It is even >> difficult >> > to browse the API documentation. >> > >> > And please keep in mind the question of the user: How can I control the >> > injection of configuration values? There do I have to look? >> > >> > And what is the search entered into Google: Tamaya config annotation >> > >> > The answer will be: the annotation package >> > >> > WDYT? >> > >> > Oliver >> > >> > Am 03.12.14 17:13, schrieb Gerhard Petracek: >> > >> >> @oliver: >> >> the point here is that it's a package which is only related to a >> technical >> >> concept of the language and not a "domain" concept/area/... . >> >> >> >> you can ask the same question you mentioned about interfaces, enums, >> >> exceptions,... >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> gerhard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-12-03 16:32 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> >>> There are even a few cases like Java Batch JSR (353) where they put >> >>> annotations into a completely separate (OSGi/Maven) bundle. We may not >> >>> want >> >>> to go that far, but modularity as you also see with DeltaSpike is a >> good >> >>> thing. Whether you do this "horizontally" via a purpose or aim of >> >>> particular types or call it "annotation" at the end of the day is not >> as >> >>> important as designing it as modular as we can. >> >>> >> >>> And (despite it's Stephen's birthday today;-) try to avoid grave >> mistakes >> >>> of especially JSR 310 where top level core types have plenty of >> >>> dependencies to various sub-packages and far worse, the sort of "API" >> >>> interfaces themselves depend on implementation details like a Duration >> or >> >>> DateTime class;-O >> >>> >> >>> Werner >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Oliver B. Fischer < >> >>> o.b.fisc...@swe-blog.net> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> @gerhard: From the language view you are right. But programmers use >> such >> >>>> package names for navigation in IDEs and code. Their question is >> "Where >> >>>> a >> >>>> the annotations I can use?" The answer is "They are in the annotation >> >>>> package." >> >>>> >> >>>> Oliver >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Am 03.12.14 15:50, schrieb Gerhard Petracek: >> >>>> >> >>>> @romain: +1 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> we also dropped it in deltaspike, because annotations are a regular >> >>>>> part >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> the language (you also >don't< create packages like "classes", >> >>>>> "interfaces",...) >> >>>>> using an own package for annotations was "modern" with java 5 (since >> >>> >> >>> they >> >>>>> >> >>>>> were provided as "secondary" part in the beginning). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> regards, >> >>>>> gerhard >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2014-12-03 15:25 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> See DeviceMap that's an option, too. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> A whole lot of JSRs do provide dedicated "annotation" or "exception" >> >>>>>> packages, but if we grouped it into some logical or semantic >> >>>>>> structure, >> >>>>>> why >> >>>>>> not. >> >>>>>> Probably best to sketch anything in that direction on the Wiki >> rather >> >>>>>> than >> >>>>>> passing around names and structures;-) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < >> >>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> we don't need to clutter anything, we need to split it as well >> >>>>>> (event, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> configuration, listener, ...we have several topics) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau >> >>>>>>> @rmannibucau >> >>>>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com >> >>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com >> >>>>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2014-12-03 15:13 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Well, there are 10 annotations now in the "annot" package right >> now. >> >>> >> >>> I >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> would not want to clutter the top level with too many things, >> unless >> >>> >> >>> we >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> reduce the annotations to 2 or 3 it seems better to give them a >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> separate >> >>>>>>> place. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Werner >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> if we can just not use it it is better. annotation doesn't bring >> >>> >> >>> much >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> information IMHO. Otherwise to stay consistent we put a package >> >>>>>>>>> classes, another one interfaces, an enumerations etc... >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau >> >>>>>>>>> @rmannibucau >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com >> >>>>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com >> >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2014-12-03 15:02 GMT+01:00 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org >> >: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +1 for full names wherever possible and the norm. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 8:54:58 AM Andres Almiray < >> >>> >> >>> aalmi...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +1 on "annotation" >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> Java Champion; Groovy Enthusiast >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://jroller.com/aalmiray >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/aalmiray >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator. >> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> binary, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> those who don't. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Werner Keil < >> >>> >> >>> werner.k...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looking not only at Java EE ( >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/7/api/) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> you'll >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> find plenty of packages from "javax.annotation" to >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "javax.servlet.annotation", etc. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I already raised this to Anatole before Tamaya, that >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "org.apache.tamaya.annot" should be called >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "org.apache.tamaya.annotation" >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> , >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> too. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody against that?;-) >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could also create a JIRA ticket for that. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Werner >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> N Oliver B. Fischer >> >>>> A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 Berlin, Deutschland/Germany >> >>>> P +49 30 44793251 >> >>>> M +49 178 7903538 >> >>>> E o.b.fisc...@swe-blog.net >> >>>> S oliver.b.fischer >> >>>> J oliver.b.fisc...@jabber.org >> >>>> X http://xing.to/obf >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > >> > -- >> > N Oliver B. Fischer >> > A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 Berlin, Deutschland/Germany >> > P +49 30 44793251 >> > M +49 178 7903538 >> > E o.b.fisc...@swe-blog.net >> > S oliver.b.fischer >> > J oliver.b.fisc...@jabber.org >> > X http://xing.to/obf >> > >>
