Hi, Stephen. I think that's a bad example. You may recall I brought up that issue in the forum. However, it's actually attributed to the default ID manager of ANY (for historical) which I think is a really bad default (and reason) because it only leads to confusion. Java is one of the few, if not only, brain-damaged languages where 5 != 5 != 5. In Java, number objects must be coerced into like form for comparison. The other ID managers do this coercion. Saner languages do this under the covers.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> wrote: > Robert, thanks for joining this discussion. > >> I wonder if it even makes sense to type numbers according to their > memory model. As objects, Byte, Short, and Integer occupy the same > space. Long isn't much more. So in Java we're not saving much space. > Jackson will attempt to parse in order: int, long, BigInt, BigDecimal. > The JSON JSR uses only BigDecimal. Some non-jvm languages don't even > have this concept. Does anything in gremlin actually require this? > > If the intended numeric type isn't preserved, weird things can happen with > graphs that have a schema (like Titan/DSE). Even TinkerGraph using the > default ID manager will not be happy if you try to do a lookup of Long > identifiers with an Integer: > > gremlin> graph = TinkerFactory.createModern() > ==>tinkergraph[vertices:6 edges:6] > gremlin> graph.vertices(1) > ==>v[1] > gremlin> graph.vertices(1L) > gremlin> > > > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Robert Dale <robd...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Marko, I agree that empty object properties should not be represented. >> I think if you saw that in an example then it was probably for >> demonstration purposes. >> >> Kevin, can you expand on this comment: >> >> > the format you suggest would lead to the same inconsistencies as in >> GraphSON 1.0. >> > Since the type is at the same level than the data itself, whether the >> container is an Array or an Object >> > https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/pull/351#issuecomment-231351653 >> >> What exactly are the inconsistencies? What is the problem in >> determining an array or object? >> This is a natural JSON array (or list): [] >> This is a natural JSON object: {} >> >> Type at the object level is a common pattern and supported feature of >> Jackson. Also, GeoJSON would be a natural fit as it also stores >> 'type' at the object level. Titan supports GeoJSON currently. I >> wonder if it would make sense to promote geometry to gremlin. >> >> We should probably start documenting a table of supported types. (If >> there is one, please provide link) >> >> I wonder if it even makes sense to type numbers according to their >> memory model. As objects, Byte, Short, and Integer occupy the same >> space. Long isn't much more. So in Java we're not saving much space. >> Jackson will attempt to parse in order: int, long, BigInt, BigDecimal. >> The JSON JSR uses only BigDecimal. Some non-jvm languages don't even >> have this concept. Does anything in gremlin actually require this? >> I'm thinking that this is only going to be relevant at the domain >> model level. This way json native numbers can be used and not need >> typing. >> >> Additionally, I think that all things that will be typed should always >> be typed. For the use cases of injesting a saved graph from a file, it >> can probably be assumed that the top-level objects are vertices since >> the graph is vertex-centric and everything else follows naturally. >> I'm not entirely sure what is required for submitting traversals to >> gremlin server from GLV. However, if this is used for the results >> from gremlin server then the results could start with any one of path, >> vertex, edge, property, vertex property, etc. So you'll need that type >> data there. >> >> -- >> Robert Dale >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I’m not following this PR too closely so what I might be saying is a >> already known/argued against/etc. >> > >> > 1. I think we should go with Robert Dale’s proposal of int32, >> int64, Vertex, uuid, etc. instead of Java class names. >> > 2. In Java we then have a Map<String,Class> for typecasting >> accordingly. >> > 3. This would make GraphSON 2.0 perfect for Bytecode >> serialization in TINKERPOP-1278. >> > 4. I think that if a Vertex, Edge, etc. doesn’t have properties, >> outV, etc. then don’t even have those fields in the representation. >> > 5. Most of the serialization back and forth will be ReferenceXXX >> elements and thus, don’t create more Maps/lists for no reason. — less chars. >> > >> > For me, my interests with this work is all about a language agnostic way >> of sending Gremlin traversal bytecode between different languages. This >> work is exactly what I am looking for. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Marko. >> > >> > http://markorodriguez.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> With all the work on GLVs and the recent work on GraphSON 2.0, I think >> it's >> >> important that we have a solid, efficient, programming language neutral, >> >> lossless serialization format. Right now that format is GraphSON and it >> >> works for that purpose (ever more so with 2.0). Given some discussion >> on >> >> the GraphSON 2.0 PR driven a bit by Robert Dale: >> >> >> >> https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/pull/351#issuecomment-231157389 >> >> >> >> I wonder if we shouldn't consider another IO format that has Gremlin >> >> Server/GLVs in mind. At this point I'm not suggesting anything specific >> - >> >> I'm just hanging the idea out for further discussion and brain storming. >> >> Thoughts? >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Dale >> -- Robert Dale
