Hello,

> not quite the topic for this thread but...

Oh but it is. Over the last 3 years there has been little done to advance the 
50% area of the codebase that I wrote — the virtual machine, OLAP, and 
language. 

        1. Talking with DataBricks about gremlin-spark, it’s odd that 
DataFrames hasn’t been adopted.
        2. Why can’t OLAP do bulk writes/updates?
        3. Why can’t every parameter in a traversal be determined by a 
traversal?
        4. …

The problem I see is that TinkerPop doesn’t have any developers anymore. All 
the work is focused on GremlinServer because you know GremlinServer. And you 
know very well that it is because there is a lack of talent on the project and 
in order to make it all look as everything is going swell, you say “maintenance 
mode”, “innovation is over,” “software has gone enterprise.”

        If this is so, then why is DataBricks having to rewrite gremlin-spark/?
        If this is so, then why has mm-ADT solved the parameter traversal 
problem?

You can meander in muck of small changes into the indefinite future or you can 
be a leader and get back the real team that knows how to build quality, 
innovative software. It takes courage, it takes being forthright, it takes 
standing up for greatness.

Else you will be left with what you have in your GoogleDocs table… meandering 
insignificance.

Be a man, do what men do and a work towards re-manifesting the beauty that once 
was else you will regret it in your olden years. And that will be a sad state 
of affairs my old friend.

Marko.



> 
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:55 AM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello mein freunden,
>> 
>> I’d love to contribute a body of work from mm-ADT that is one of the main
>> issues with the Gremlin language: every step should support pipeline
>> arguments (i.e., every argument can be a dynamically/traversal determined
>> value). I solved this problem in mm-ADT elegantly and efficiently. A
>> beautiful feature indeed.
>> 
> 
> yep - that remains an open problem with Gremlin. The limitation Java
> lambdas imposed on GLVs wasn't realized in those early days unfortunately.
> 
> 
>> ….unfortunately, Apache Board overruled the TinkerPop PMC and had me
>> forcefully removed from the PMC for being (how do you say in American
>> English?) “Nazi Troll.” If the Board is willing to look past the SS on my
>> uniform and put me back in my rightful place as Obergruppenführer of the
>> PMC, then we shall be unstoppable!
>> 
>> Those are my terms. Boohaha.
>> 
>> Marko.
>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, this is great - lots of volunteers! Here's a running list of what we
>>> have so far:
>>> 
>>> * UnifiedChannelizer - Stephen
>>> * gremlin-language - Josh
>>> * Gremlin.Net - Florian
>>> * gremlin-python - Kelvin
>>> 
>>> There's definitely a lot more topics to tackle. Let's keep expanding the
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Kelvin Lawrence <gfx...@yahoo.com.invalid
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am happy to help. The area I have been closest too is probably the
>>>> enhancements to the Python client. I could write something around those
>>>> features.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers, Kelvin
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 04:30, f...@florian-hockmann.de wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I could write something for .NET. Added GraphBinary support and
>>>> switching the JSON library could be interesting for some Gremlin.Net
>> users.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 21:32
>>>>> An: dev@tinkerpop.apache.org
>>>>> Betreff: Re: 3.5.0 Announcement Volunteers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now, I think it's fine for these to just have each person's
>>>> individual style - might make the posts more interesting assuming we
>> get a
>>>> few more volunteers. If you can come up with a neat image that could go
>>>> with a tweet to promote the announcement (that we will push through the
>>>> TinkerPop account), that would be cool. We've not really come up with
>>>> anything that sort of iconifies the gremlin-language module, so if you
>> feel
>>>> like thinking about that, that would be neat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joshua Shinavier <j...@fortytwo.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds good. I'll write the announcement. If you have thoughts on the
>>>>>> format, please feel free to share.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM Stephen Mallette
>>>>>> <spmalle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:38 PM Joshua Shinavier <j...@fortytwo.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would be happy to collaborate on gremlin-language if there is
>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> which needs doing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> great josh - thanks! The upgrade docs sorta tuck that feature away
>>>>>>> in the provider section
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> https://tinkerpop.apache.org/docs/3.5.0-SNAPSHOT/upgrade/#_gremlin_lan
>>>>>> guage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> because at this point it doesn't have direct user impact, but i
>>>>>>> think it might be useful to the community to write something in an
>>>>>>> announcement
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> helps describe what this module lays the foundation for. you've had
>>>>>>> some interesting ideas in this area that i'm not sure have gotten
>>>>>>> outside of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dev list as of yet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 

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