Hey,
After reading Stephen's reply, I was like -- "huh, sure." I didn't really don't
care one way or another until I just read this:
http://neo4j.com/blog/open-cypher-sql-for-graphs/
Look at the tone and lies that Neo4j is portraying.
* Marko Rodriguez as "just some buddy of Emil's."
* Aurelius is some company. No, its called DataStax.
* Not once is Apache TinkerPop discussed or referenced -- "just Marko
and a band of merry 'graphistas'."?!
* DataStax is NOT involved in their efforts for OpenCypher.
The problem with Neo4j is they are corrupt. They use lies to control the
population. If we support Cypher in TinkerPop (like actively put it into the
repository as a distribution) we will see press releases like:
* TinkerPop drops Gremlin in favor of Cypher.
* TinkerPop realizes that Cypher is the superior language.
* TinkerPop follows Neo4j in learning how to do graph processing the
right way.
* etc.
Its going to be a bunch malarky like that that I don't want surrounding our
project. It would behoove us to be smart about how we interact with people like
this as they will use every opportunity they can to destroy our project to
better their economic efforts.
I don't do lies nor interact with people who use misinformation and deception
to get "ahead,"
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd be open to have cypher and sparql as first class citizens of The
> TinkerPop. As I see it, there are two groups of graph users on the fringe
> of TinkerPop and they live in the cypher world and in the RDF world.
> Having both of these projects in TinkerPop would allow us to reach both of
> those communities. Doing so would help to expand usage and potentially
> attract more committers.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I (personally) am interested in getting another language into TinkerPop's
>> distribution. I see an imbalance in the following table:
>>
>> TinkerGraph | Gremlin-Java8
>> Neo4j | Gremlin-Groovy
>> Hadoop | NOTHING
>>
>> That is, we have 3 graph distributions, why not have 3 language
>> distributions. Moreover, I don't want yet another Gremlin-JVMLang language
>> as that doesn't showcase the virtual machine aspects of Gremlin as well as,
>> for example: SPARQL-Gremlin or SQL-Gremlin.
>>
>> I (personally) am NOT interested in openCypher as the 3rd language
>> distribution for the following 2 reasons:
>>
>> 1. It will be at least a year+ before it culminates into something.
>> 2. It doesn't fold a different computing space into TinkerPop.
>>
>> To expand on #2, Hadoop is NOT typically seen as a graph system, but with
>> TinkerPop, we have Hadoop serving as a graph engine. With SPARQL, we pull
>> in the RDF guys (thats cool). With SQL, we pull in the world. I sorta
>> prefer SPARQL as its an easy language to handle (thanks in part to Apache
>> Jena). With SQL we have Apache Calcite offering help, but SQL is nasty
>> looking for graph queries and is just suuuuuch a beast of a language that
>> it would need someone dedicated to its maintenance/evolution.
>>
>> Anywho -- thats what I think about another language in TinkerPop. I'm pro
>> SPARQL-Gremlin if it matures and people are excited about it.
>> https://github.com/dkuppitz/sparql-gremlin
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marko.
>>
>> http://markorodriguez.com
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:45 AM, pieter-gmail <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is a opencypher <http://neo4j.com/blog/open-cypher-sql-for-graphs/> ->
>>> gremlin compiler something the tinkerpop team would consider
>> implementing?
>>> Perhaps, hopefully with help from neo4j themselves.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Pieter
>>
>>
