Hi Ran,
Here are my thoughts on GraphQL now that I have learned more about it.
1. Matt Frantz and David Robinson nailed it -- its not really a "graph
language." Its more a QBE (query by example -- first time I heard that was from
Matt).
- As such, do we want to support it in TinkerPop when we can do
much more complex queries with the Gremlin machine?
2. I think we should try and get the GraphQL guys to implement a
compiler for Gremlin VM.
- You said it -- providers have to implement a server to
execute it. Why not just implement graph.structure API and let the Gremlin VM
do the work for you.
- Is this a Facebook thing? Perhaps someone can find their
repository and post a ticket and see where it goes.
The one thing that GraphQL has going for it (like SPARQL) is the ease of the
development/maintenance of the compiler. Cypher and SQL are going to be
insanely complex compilers to implement/maintain -- it will take manpower.
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Oct 26, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Ran Magen <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd be much more interested in GraphQL support.
> The cool thing about GraphQL is that you can easily create a unified "graph
> query" from different components in an application, while keeping the
> separation between the components. It's a great feature for composite UIs
> (e.g.
> React).
> As I understand it, GraphQL is mostly a standard for graph queries, but the
> user has to implement a server to actually execute the queries. And what
> better execution engine than the Gremlin VM?
>
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 at 15:17 Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> After reading Stephen's reply, I was like -- "huh, sure." I didn't really
>> don't care one way or another until I just read this:
>>
>> http://neo4j.com/blog/open-cypher-sql-for-graphs/
>>
>> Look at the tone and lies that Neo4j is portraying.
>>
>> * Marko Rodriguez as "just some buddy of Emil's."
>> * Aurelius is some company. No, its called DataStax.
>> * Not once is Apache TinkerPop discussed or referenced -- "just
>> Marko and a band of merry 'graphistas'."?!
>> * DataStax is NOT involved in their efforts for OpenCypher.
>>
>> The problem with Neo4j is they are corrupt. They use lies to control the
>> population. If we support Cypher in TinkerPop (like actively put it into
>> the repository as a distribution) we will see press releases like:
>>
>> * TinkerPop drops Gremlin in favor of Cypher.
>> * TinkerPop realizes that Cypher is the superior language.
>> * TinkerPop follows Neo4j in learning how to do graph processing
>> the right way.
>> * etc.
>>
>> Its going to be a bunch malarky like that that I don't want surrounding
>> our project. It would behoove us to be smart about how we interact with
>> people like this as they will use every opportunity they can to destroy our
>> project to better their economic efforts.
>>
>> I don't do lies nor interact with people who use misinformation and
>> deception to get "ahead,"
>> Marko.
>>
>> http://markorodriguez.com
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:35 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be open to have cypher and sparql as first class citizens of The
>>> TinkerPop. As I see it, there are two groups of graph users on the fringe
>>> of TinkerPop and they live in the cypher world and in the RDF world.
>>> Having both of these projects in TinkerPop would allow us to reach both
>> of
>>> those communities. Doing so would help to expand usage and potentially
>>> attract more committers.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I (personally) am interested in getting another language into
>> TinkerPop's
>>>> distribution. I see an imbalance in the following table:
>>>>
>>>> TinkerGraph | Gremlin-Java8
>>>> Neo4j | Gremlin-Groovy
>>>> Hadoop | NOTHING
>>>>
>>>> That is, we have 3 graph distributions, why not have 3 language
>>>> distributions. Moreover, I don't want yet another Gremlin-JVMLang
>> language
>>>> as that doesn't showcase the virtual machine aspects of Gremlin as well
>> as,
>>>> for example: SPARQL-Gremlin or SQL-Gremlin.
>>>>
>>>> I (personally) am NOT interested in openCypher as the 3rd language
>>>> distribution for the following 2 reasons:
>>>>
>>>> 1. It will be at least a year+ before it culminates into
>> something.
>>>> 2. It doesn't fold a different computing space into TinkerPop.
>>>>
>>>> To expand on #2, Hadoop is NOT typically seen as a graph system, but
>> with
>>>> TinkerPop, we have Hadoop serving as a graph engine. With SPARQL, we
>> pull
>>>> in the RDF guys (thats cool). With SQL, we pull in the world. I sorta
>>>> prefer SPARQL as its an easy language to handle (thanks in part to
>> Apache
>>>> Jena). With SQL we have Apache Calcite offering help, but SQL is nasty
>>>> looking for graph queries and is just suuuuuch a beast of a language
>> that
>>>> it would need someone dedicated to its maintenance/evolution.
>>>>
>>>> Anywho -- thats what I think about another language in TinkerPop. I'm
>> pro
>>>> SPARQL-Gremlin if it matures and people are excited about it.
>>>> https://github.com/dkuppitz/sparql-gremlin
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marko.
>>>>
>>>> http://markorodriguez.com
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:45 AM, pieter-gmail <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is a opencypher <http://neo4j.com/blog/open-cypher-sql-for-graphs/> ->
>>>>> gremlin compiler something the tinkerpop team would consider
>>>> implementing?
>>>>> Perhaps, hopefully with help from neo4j themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Pieter
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
