Merely a comment/offer -- if the decision to retire training is primarily
due to the burden around preparing board reports, then I am willing to step
in.  I imagine that is something that is manageable that I can concretely
address at the needed cadence.  This is not meant to suggest training
should not be retired ( I don't have enough knowledge on the merits of
keeping/retiring, overall what success looks like, and this message comes
from someone that has contributed little to training thus far, etc ).

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 1:09 AM Christofer Dutz <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Well seems we're going to miss submitting the report again. If this is the
> case, I'll start a vote on retiring training.
>
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> ________________________________
> From: Alexis TADIFO <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:02:49 PM
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> we continue or retire?
>
> I would like to contribute as soon as possible. So don't hesitate to share
> with me any backlog of issues to solve or any place where I can pick
> something up.
>
> Regards.
>
> Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 11 h 35 a.m., Christofer Dutz <
> [email protected]> a écrit :
>
> > HI Alexis,
> >
> > well there are a lot of things you could do. Provide content (Website,
> > Trainings, Start discussions, work on the tooling, Submit incubator
> reports
> > in time)
> >
> > In general there just was absolutely no activity on any of these topics.
> > That was why I was assuming that there's no real interest in the project
> > itself.
> >
> > I have to admit, that being one of the drivers behind another Apache
> > project is a pretty demanding task and I don't feel that I could do the
> > same for a second project.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Alexis TADIFO <[email protected]>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. November 2021 14:44
> > An: [email protected]
> > Betreff: Re: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > we continue or retire?
> >
> > Hello Christofer and Daryl,
> > Happy to read your email. How can I help? I'm ready and available.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > *Alexis TADIFO*
> >
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> > Le mer. 17 nov. 2021 à 08:33, Christofer Dutz <[email protected]
> >
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi Daryl,
> > >
> > > Nah, I'm not frustrated. I'm just trying to invest my time and the
> > > time of others as good as I can. If there's nobody working on this
> > > project and nobody is interested, there's no need to keep on looking
> > > vor volunteers to write reports. No need for incubator folks and the
> > board to read them.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: dfheinz dfheinz.com <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:10:28 PM
> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: RE: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS]
> > > Should we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > I sense a great deal of frustration and resignation in your statements.
> > > It is unfortunate that most can predict the outcome of this appeal.
> > > We need to ask a very basic question:  What is the incentive for
> > > people to contribute training material?  The recipient of the training
> > > material definitely benefits.  Other than appealing to altruism, what
> > > is the incentive for the developers of the training material to
> > > commit?  I think a beguiling incentive for committing training
> > > material must be marketed heavily.  I wish I knew how to identify that
> > > incentive.  I know the incentive must compete against the knowledge
> > > that training material is a sellable, profitable commodity.
> > >
> > > Can I ask how would a person like me easily find the materials that
> > > have been committed?  I think once they are marketed well, are
> > > relevant, and made easily accessible, there is a chance of building
> > > enthusiasm for this project from the developer community up.
> > > Relevant, Accessible and Marketed effectively are the criteria for
> > survival.
> > >
> > > How can I help? Please contact me via my e-mail or linked-in
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Daryl
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:31 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Guess we've missed the report this time ... [DISCUSS] Should
> > > we continue or retire?
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I guess we've missed the report this time ... I think in general we
> > > should discuss if it's worth continuing to keep this project or not.
> > > Right now all activity happening here is based on who's doing the next
> > > board report. I'm trying to keep the tools up to date and regularly
> > > update things, but that's about it ...
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > If there are people that think it's worth keeping it and which become
> > > a bit more active, I would support that.
> > > If not, I think I'll simply keep on maintaining my own version of the
> > > tools and we should send this project to the attic.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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