This goes into it a little bit [1], but realistically its generally counted as:
- Where are the committers coming from, company wise? - Is there a robust enough PMC being voted in that allows for independence? I believe some of the concerns have been because of recent issues in a few TLPs where you ended up with too many active members being from a single company, as a result the needs of that company were served before the needs of the rest of the community. I tried explaining this, not too successfully, to someone recently, trying to say that the ASF isn't here to fill any specific company's needs and cannot be swayed to obeying the needs of a company. What this really means is that the ASF isn't here to host the source code and provide dev tools to Apigee, and likewise hopes that they don't get TLPs that are solely Apigee employees. This becomes more abundant when you look at the Yahoos, LinkedIns of the world. They're not doing this for a profit on the software side, but the same rules apply here. [1]: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:59 PM Rod Simpson <r...@rodsimpson.com> wrote: > Can someone define “diversity”? In this context, I mean. I have not read > other threads. > > -- > Rod Simpson > > On July 25, 2015 at 6:48:36 PM, Ed Anuff (e...@anuff.com) wrote: > > Agree that Todd or Dave are great candidates. Of course, it's not a draft, > so need to see who actually wants it. > > I've been watching the whole diversity thread on the Incubator list and > there does seem to be some polarized opinions. I think it would be useful > to review the recent commentary around other proposed graduations to see > how we fare regard to that as well as the other issues. > > Ed > > > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Rod Simpson <r...@rodsimpson.com> wrote: > > > > +1 for Dave or Todd > > > > > > > > -- > > Rod Simpson > > > > On July 25, 2015 at 11:28:17 AM, John D. Ament (john.d.am...@gmail.com) > wrote: > > > > A few comments in line (I was going to email to see what the status was, > > then noticed it was in git, then saw this mail... slowly catching up). > > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM Dave <snoopd...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Now that I have updated the project status page (usergrid.xml) to > include > >> all committers and their users ( > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html -- not sure why it > has > >> not updated yet), I believe we are ready to move ahead with graduation. > >> > >> Graduation to a top level project requires: > >> - a charter for your project > >> - a positive community graduation VOTE > >> - a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE > >> - the acceptance of the resolution by the Board > >> (link: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process) > >> > >> I have put together a DRAFT charter here: > >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-usergrid/blob/master/tlp-resolution.txt > >> > >> To complete the charter we need to decide who will be the Project > >> Management Committee (PMC) chair, aka VP Apache Usergrid. This person > will > >> be the ASF Board of Directors eyes and ears on the project and will be > >> responsible for writing the project status report every couple of > months, > >> ensuring that Apache policies are being followed and when appropriate > >> raising issues to the attention of the board. The chair has no special > >> authority to make technical decisions or direct the project. > >> > >> So, for discussion: > >> > >> * Are we really truly ready to gradate? > > > > The only concern I can see coming up is a diverse enough community. Its > > come up a few times with recent graduations, so let's make sure. I think > > everything else has been resolved, so we're good. > > > > > >> > >> * What else do we need to do before we graduate? > > * Should we ask all committers if they want to remain in project? (we > >> haven't heard from some in a while, and one does not have an account) > > Yes, you should. In addition, I would like to see a distinct list of > > PMC/Committers in the resolution, even if its mostly the same. > > > > > >> * Nominations for PMC chair? > > > > My nominations are: > > - Dave > > - Todd > > > > > >> > >> * Any other concerns? Mentors? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM Dave <snoopd...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sorry for the delayed response. > >>> > >>> I was waiting for after the 1.0.2 release to join this discussion and > now > >>> that 1.0.2 is going out to the mirrors, I think we are ready to propose > >>> graduation. We should figure out the next steps and move quickly > towards > >> a > >>> graduation vote. > >>> > >>> - Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM Shawn Feldman < > shawn.feld...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Scott used to work full time on the project so not mistaken. Not sure > >> who > >>>> Alberto is > >>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM John D. Ament < > johndam...@apache.org > >>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I notice that [1] is still not up to date with committer's IDs. > >> Came > >>>> up > >>>>>> last time graduation was discussed. I just committed some fixes > >>>> based on > >>>>>> IDs I could look up at [2], it looks like we have one case with a > >>>> person > >>>>>> who never reconciled their CLA (Alberto Leal). That can be > >> addressed > >>>> in > >>>>>> graduation with regard to who the initial PMC and committers are. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also note - Scott Ganyo is listed on the committer index, HOWEVER, he > >>>> does > >>>>> not show as incubator, which he should show, so I'm not sure if it's > a > >>>> case > >>>>> of mistaken identity or what. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think it is time for Usergrid to graduate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/usergrid.html > >>>>>> [2]: http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:18 AM Lewis John Mcgibbney < > >>>>>> lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Folks, > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that Usergrid moves towards a graduation. > >>>>>>> I am satisfied that the UG podling community has proven itself > >>>> suitable > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> graduation. > >>>>>>> I would like to keep this thread open for a wee while for us to > >>>> ponder > >>>>>>> over > >>>>>>> the graduation effort... based on the outcome we can make a > >> decision > >>>>> what > >>>>>>> to do. > >>>>>>> Excellent work on recent RC's Dave (I refrained on VOTE'ing to see > >>>> if UG > >>>>>>> was capable of making VOTE's and it was more than successful). > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> Lewis > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> *Lewis* > >> >
