i have to get the velocity-site stuff (home page, download page, etc)
updated for every release i do.  if the Tools 2.0-beta3 release
happens pretty much the same time as Engine 1.6, then i only have to
update the site once for both.  saves me some headache.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> how does letting the vote run the full 3 days vs cutting it off early affect
> the site?
>
> geir
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>
>> I fully agree, but we've already had more time than usual for
>> participation and testing already.  The first test build was 9 days
>> ago.  The first CFV was over 3 days ago.  The odds of what you
>> describe seem low, and the cost would be two separate site updates,
>> for which have high odds of being the greater trouble.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that the more the merrier on things like this for purposes of
>>> participation, and in addition,  someone might find something and vote -1
>>> and be convincing in their argument.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>>>
>>>> why not end early?  :(  i did the initial CFV 72+ hrs ago and only
>>>> changed one source file between the initial and secondary votes, and
>>>> we have a quorum and clear majority in favor of this beta release.  in
>>>> fact, there's only one active PMC member who hasn't yet voted +1 on
>>>> this, Claude.  If you are giving essentially a -1 to this procedural
>>>> change, i'd appreciate a good reason at the least.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> (And don't end it early even w/ 3 +1s  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> geir
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, Will said the new test build works for him; it is still available
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~nbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please vote regarding your support for releasing this new test build
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> VelocityTools 2.0-beta3:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>> [ ] +0 Have fun; i don't care.
>>>>>> [ ] -0  Not sure about this, but i won't stop you.
>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The voting period is typically 72 hours, putting its close time as
>>>>>> roughly 2pm PST on Wednesday, Dec 3.  Though if i get 3 +1s before
>>>>>> then, i'll end it early.  It's just a beta, after all. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My vote is, again, +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, i've accepted Will's veto and am changing my vote to -1, so
>>>>>>> here's
>>>>>>> the result for the record:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>> Nathan Bubna
>>>>>>> Will Glass-Husain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Will.  I actually feel like Adrian (or someone) reported
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> too, but i forgot about it, since it's been working fine for me.
>>>>>>>> Well, i'll scrap this one and try to fix that.  I guess this won't
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> going out in the same site update as Velocity Engine 1.6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Will Glass-Husain
>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -1. Doesn't build.  see error report below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WILL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src>ant
>>>>>>>>> Buildfile: build.xml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> clean:
>>>>>>>>> [delete] Deleting directory C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build
>>>>>>>>> [delete] Deleting directory C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\dist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> clean-examples:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> simple-example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> example-clean:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> showcase-example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> example-clean:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> struts-example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> example-clean:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> test.clean:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> prepare.compile:
>>>>>>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build
>>>>>>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build\classes
>>>>>>>>> [mkdir] Created dir: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\dist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> base-download:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> commons-collections-download:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http-m1-download:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> do-http-m1-download:
>>>>>>>>> [get] Getting:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collections/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>> [get] To: C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\lib\commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>> [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collecti
>>>>>>>>> ons/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>> [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collecti
>>>>>>>>> ons/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>> [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException:
>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collecti
>>>>>>>>> ons/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>> [get] Can't get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/commons-collections/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jarto
>>>>>>>>> C:\Doc
>>>>>>>>> uments and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\lib\commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BUILD FAILED
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\build.xml:104:
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executing
>>>>>>>>> this line:
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:40:
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executin
>>>>>>>>> g this line:
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:209:
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executi
>>>>>>>>> ng this line:
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:121:
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> following error occurred while executi
>>>>>>>>> ng this line:
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-beta3-src\download.xml:132:
>>>>>>>>> Can't
>>>>>>>>> get http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/m
>>>>>>>>> irrors/maven2/commons-collections/jars/commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\wglass\Desktop\velocity-tools-2.0-
>>>>>>>>> beta3-src\lib\commons-collections-3.2.jar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Total time: 1 second
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, there were no complaints about the current test build, so i'm
>>>>>>>>>> moving on to a vote.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The test build is still available here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~nbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/<http://people.apache.org/%7Enbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please vote regarding your support for releasing this new test
>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> VelocityTools 2.0-beta3:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 Have fun; i don't care.
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -0  Not sure about this, but i won't stop you.
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The voting period is typically 72 hours, putting its close time as
>>>>>>>>>> roughly 7am PST on Monday, Dec 1st.  If the vote passes, I'll push
>>>>>>>>>> this to the mirrors and change the web site and get Henning to
>>>>>>>>>> deploy
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> With luck i'll be able to announce it by Wed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and here is a test build for Tools 2.0-beta3:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~nbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/<http://people.apache.org/%7Enbubna/velocity/tools/2.0-beta3/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> this should be the last Tools 2.0 beta release, barring any major
>>>>>>>>>>> bugs
>>>>>>>>>>> appearing.  with another push on the documentation front, "we"
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be able to get 2.0 to final by Christmas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, give the tires a kicking on this one too.  hopefully, we
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> release this the same day as Engine 1.6.  then i'll only have to
>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>> Henning to update the public site once.  that would be nice. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> nathan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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