Ivan M wrote:
Hi T.J.,
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:53 PM, T. J. Frazier <[email protected]> wrote:
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I counted 3 zooms times before the 'y' in History started being
truncated (Both WinXP & Ubuntu, FF 3.0.5). After 5 zooms, all
characters started being truncated. That seems pretty reasonable - are
you using some special font?
I run about 3 zooms above that. I admit that the cataract operation, and the
progressive lenses I wear, may have something to do with that. 8-)>>>
[glasses, smile, long grey beard here]. I view from about 30 inches away,
very comfortably.
Wow! In that case, I would encourage you to use whole page zoom
instead of text-only zoom. I would expect most designs to break after
8 text zoom increases (but then again you probably have a much higher
resolution if you're watching it from 30 inches away).
Very helpful! :-) Did that, looks much better.
The text moves downward because of the top padding which is required
to center the text in the tabs. I switched to a line-height solution
but it only produced a marginal improvement. Because the tab div has a
specific vertical height, it is not allowed to expand even if it wants
to - if it were, the text would remain vertically centered. There are
reasons why a specific height is set for the navigation, but if this
feature is needed, I could investigate further.
I admit to probably not understanding the problem; but then, I do CSS / HTML
in Notepad, only very simple stuff.
* Why is (vertical) centering in the tabs wanted or needed? Closer to the
top should be OK.
For aesthetic reasons, mainly. Most navigations have their menu
entries vertically centered - it would look odd otherwise.
For that matter, try running the zoom down four or five times (from /your/
normal setting; more for mine). The text stays close to the top of the
image.
Yes, but it doesn't reach the top of the navigation bar either. The
text always begins a fixed number of pixels below the very top of the
navigation, and this does not change whether you zoom in or out.
On a page without an associated Discussion page, all the other tabs
appear
grey. The impression this gives is that the blue = "you are on this
tab",
while the grey = "inactive, you are not here". Quite a two-pipe problem.
I
would very much like to see some special color/shading designation for
"action=edit" redlink.
I'm not sure what you mean by color/shading - as far as I know, every
.new (action = edit) link has a different style to its standard
counterpart.
AFAIK, CSS doesn't provide background patterns (although the images could,
of course). At present, on the wiki Main Page, all the tabs except "Page"
show grey.
They are blue on my display, and since we have the exact same browser,
they should be on yours too. Could you please send me a screenshot?
The grey tabs all have some kind of "action=" link, but not
always "=edit".
This is a more serious problem than the zoom, because it affects everyone,
not just near-sighted old fossils like me. I am seeking a way to make it
visually *obvious* what's going on with the tabs. I suggest that the current
styles don't do that. I seek to distinguish "you aren't here" from "you may
not want to go here" (action=edit). Patterns could do that. Different colors
could do that. Something else could do that?
You are here = blue outline + white background on the tab.
You can go here = blue link
You might not want to go here / Edit page = gray for navigation /
personal links, red for page content.
This is what was designed, and this is what I see. Perhaps the
distinction between the gray and blue links is not clear enough - do
you have a particular color in mind that you think would be better?
This is a valid point, but at this stage I need a better idea of what
you're seeing, because at the moment I'm too used to seeing what I
normally see (and I see the wiki pretty much every day) to imagine
anything different :)
Regards,
Ivan.
I'm not seeing any distinction between light blue and grey.
Do you want me to send the screen shots to your private mail? I doubt we want them on the
list. /tj/
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T. J. Frazier
Melbourne, FL
(TJFrazier on OO.o)
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