Hi again... On 07/27/2010 03:09 AM, Björn Michaelsen wrote: > Hi all, > > please let me clarify my original intention when I opened this thread. > > Am Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:17:00 +0200 > schrieb Bernhard Dippold <[email protected]>: >> Kay Schenk schrieb: >>> yes, this is true and exactly why the CC needs to be involved. >> >> I don't know if this is a topic for the CC: > > I dont think we need the CC to change single links on the contributing > page. Of course, we would need to get the CC involved when killing of > the contributing subdomain completely.
I disagree with this. Despite the fact that the Contributing page was created mostly by members in THIS group, the links on it were put there after some rather lengthy discussion by several areas. And, specifically, the other areas represented here, Development, QA, Marketing,etc *should* have a say in what they want linked here. I actually sent an e-mail to project leads of QA and Marketing yesterday asking them about this. So, we'll see what they say. You're certainly entitled to you opinion but really you(we) don't control all of these projects or how they feel they want to represented. > >> But that's just my personal opinion - not necessarily the right one... >>> >>> [...] >>>> With regards to the links you mentioned I just add a few lines: >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html vs. >>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Development >>>> >>>>> http://contributing.openoffice.org/qa.html vs. >>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance >>>> >>> >>> I'm OK with changing these two links (and will this week) after I >>> take a better look at the QA area >> >> You did understand me right: Not linking to the wiki page, but to the >> project frontpages at the website instead. > > As a developer I think http://development.openoffice.org/ is: > - an information overkill for an interested newcomer in development > - mixing way to many topic: > - developing OpenOffice.org itself > - extending OpenOffice.org (using it as a platform, using its API) > - QA is not development > - even talking about CVS, which is totally out-of-date > - way to confusing (and to long) and little inviting compared to the > wiki (less is more!!!) > > So as a developer, I vote for navigating anyone looking for > "contributing to development" to the wiki. > > As for the other departments, be it QA, Marketing or whatever it is of > course up to those projects to navigate their newcomers to the most > inviting page they offer. IMHO, most other projects have better wiki > pages than static pages, so if this is done honestly we might end up > with most, if not all links going directly to the wiki. That would be > the point when we should consider getting rid of the remaining > contributing.openoffice.org by moving remaining content to the project > pages. > > So my idea would be: > - link to the wiki for contributing/development > - let other departments/projects consider, if they are better served > with linking directly to the project page or the wiki > - consider migrating remaining content away from contributing to either > project pages or the wiki and killing the domain, if there is very > little left > > The reason I bring this up is that I have that at least we (developers) > are already overexpanded with all the different locations we have > content on the webpages (development.openoffice.org, project homes like > sw.openoffice.org, contributing.openoffice.org, the wiki) so that we > cant keep them all up to date (or if we would we wouldnt develop > anymore). I also feel that outdated, misleading or contradicting info is > way worse than no info at all as it can lead to major frustrations > (example: confusing newcomers with infos about CVS). Also consider that > especially developers are very keen on judging the "activity" of a > project ... the timestamp "Date: 2009/11/20 11:59:48" on > development.openoffice.org would cause suspicions about the open source > project being dead, if this wasnt OpenOffice.org. The wiki OTOH shows > buzzing activity ... > > For comparison: Its two clicks from the mozilla.org homepage to > the wiki. "Get Involved" -> "Coding/Developers can help". On gnome.org > it is three clicks ("Contribute" -> "start contributing" -> > "Development"), with one of the first two clicks being superficial. On > kde.org there is a link directly on the homepage ("Development > Platform/Techbase Wiki"). > > Best Regards, > > Bjoern > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > -- ============================================================ Kay Schenk ph: 530-898-5339 Applications Development and Enterprise Design CSU, Chico "I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once." --Jennifer Unlimited --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
