I think it's again a perfect example of a discussion that degenerates because some people don't take the time to first get the facts and try to think about what the issue actually is.
Part of the issue is actually very simple. If somebody does a modification to the site, you'd expect to get a notification about the change so that you can review it. If that had been the case, I (or somebody else) would have reacted to the removal of the Axis link and the issue could have been solved without making too much noise. I actually took the time to check why no such notification was ever sent. It appears that Benson did two commits [1] to the /webservices/site directory, but the SVN notifications are nowhere to be found. Normally, they should have been sent to [email protected] (at least that is where notifications of previous commits where sent). I'm pretty sure that the reason is simply that Benson didn't subscribe with his apache.org address to that list. I think Benson acted in good faith, but because of a stupid mistake (that BTW happened to other people in the past, including myself) he rendered inoperative the commit-then-review policy. Benson, can you check your subscription to [email protected] and test if SVN notifications are generated properly? Thanks, Andreas [1] http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?to=20101025&path=/webservices/site&author=bimargulies On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 16:56, Glen Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > <meta> > Can we please drop the tone of this discussion? While there are certainly > some (maybe many) that believe ad-hominems, flaming, and grousing are "The > Apache Way", they don't fit well in my personal view of same. > > Sanjiva, I'm looking at you here. I don't know if you had too much coffee > today or what, but please take it down a notch? :) > </meta> > > I don't think it's at all unreasonable for folks in the WS community to want > things clean and correct - after all, that's sort of the main thrust we've > been trying to execute on in the past few months with cleaning up the > projects, the PMC list, etc. 10 months is plenty long for a project to move > itself - most graduated incubator projects are out and set up as TLPs within > a month or two. On the other hand, of course people are busy and website > work isn't as glamorous as new plugin APIs. :) So let's please try to get > some actual cooperative work happening here and focus on what needs doing > rather than who's asking. > > Thanks, > --Glen > > On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Kulp <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> It's been 10 MONTHS!?! I think that's been more than an adequate >> amount of >> time for the Axis project to actually finish their job of moving to a >> TLP. >> You cannot tell me that in 10 months of time, not one person was able to >> copy >> the content over (or update poms and do a site:deploy or whatever you >> guys do >> for web content). >> >> >> I noticed that ws.apache.org <http://ws.apache.org> does not say a WORD about >> Axis after you/Benson worked it over. Do you think that's reasonable??! That >> is SOOO not the Apache Way, especially coming from two ASF Members. >> >> Yes we should've moved over. We haven't. In the meantime, ignore the >> directory and continue to update the Web site ignoring all history. >> >> I will find time to go edit "your" site one of these days and put back some >> history and context into this site. It is not your site or mine; its ours and >> I damned well plan to claim back the rightful place Axis has in this project! >> You cannot just go on as if it never existed :) .. however much you may wish >> for that to be the case. >> >> Sanjiva. >> -- >> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >> Founder, Director & Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; >> http://www.opensource.lk/ >> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2; http://wso2.com/ >> Founder & Director; Thinkcube Systems; http://www.thinkcube.com/ >> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >> Member; Sahana Software Foundation; http://www.sahanafoundation.org/ >> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ >> >> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >> >
