On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 21:36, Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > On Monday 25 October 2010 3:21:27 pm Andreas Veithen wrote: >> I think it's again a perfect example of a discussion that degenerates >> because some people don't take the time to first get the facts and try >> to think about what the issue actually is. >> >> Part of the issue is actually very simple. If somebody does a >> modification to the site, you'd expect to get a notification about the >> change so that you can review it. If that had been the case, I (or >> somebody else) would have reacted to the removal of the Axis link and >> the issue could have been solved without making too much noise. I >> actually took the time to check why no such notification was ever >> sent. It appears that Benson did two commits [1] to the >> /webservices/site directory, but the SVN notifications are nowhere to >> be found. Normally, they should have been sent to >> [email protected] (at least that is where notifications of >> previous commits where sent). I'm pretty sure that the reason is >> simply that Benson didn't subscribe with his apache.org address to >> that list. > > That, and the *...@ws lists were not moderated lists. If they were > moderated, > the commit would have just been moderated through. Problem solved. > >> I think Benson acted in good faith, but because of a stupid mistake >> (that BTW happened to other people in the past, including myself) he >> rendered inoperative the commit-then-review policy. >> >> Benson, can you check your subscription to [email protected] and >> test if SVN notifications are generated properly? > > Irrelevant. The list no longer exists. They go to [email protected] now.
Good point. Doesn't that mean that the SVN (and also Wiki) configuration needs to be changed to send notifications to the new list? Or has this already been done? > Dan > > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Andreas >> >> [1] >> http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?to=20101025&path=/webservi >> ces/site&author=bimargulies >> >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 16:56, Glen Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: >> > <meta> >> > Can we please drop the tone of this discussion? While there are >> > certainly some (maybe many) that believe ad-hominems, flaming, and >> > grousing are "The Apache Way", they don't fit well in my personal view >> > of same. >> > >> > Sanjiva, I'm looking at you here. I don't know if you had too much >> > coffee today or what, but please take it down a notch? :) >> > </meta> >> > >> > I don't think it's at all unreasonable for folks in the WS community to >> > want things clean and correct - after all, that's sort of the main >> > thrust we've been trying to execute on in the past few months with >> > cleaning up the projects, the PMC list, etc. 10 months is plenty long >> > for a project to move itself - most graduated incubator projects are out >> > and set up as TLPs within a month or two. On the other hand, of course >> > people are busy and website work isn't as glamorous as new plugin APIs. >> > :) So let's please try to get some actual cooperative work happening >> > here and focus on what needs doing rather than who's asking. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > --Glen >> > >> > On 10/25/2010 10:47 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Kulp <[email protected] >> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> It's been 10 MONTHS!?! I think that's been more than an adequate >> >> amount of time for the Axis project to actually finish their job of >> >> moving to a TLP. You cannot tell me that in 10 months of time, not one >> >> person was able to copy the content over (or update poms and do a >> >> site:deploy or whatever you guys do for web content). >> >> >> >> >> >> I noticed that ws.apache.org <http://ws.apache.org> does not say a WORD >> >> about Axis after you/Benson worked it over. Do you think that's >> >> reasonable??! That is SOOO not the Apache Way, especially coming from >> >> two ASF Members. >> >> >> >> Yes we should've moved over. We haven't. In the meantime, ignore the >> >> directory and continue to update the Web site ignoring all history. >> >> >> >> I will find time to go edit "your" site one of these days and put back >> >> some history and context into this site. It is not your site or mine; >> >> its ours and I damned well plan to claim back the rightful place Axis >> >> has in this project! You cannot just go on as if it never existed :) .. >> >> however much you may wish for that to be the case. >> >> >> >> Sanjiva. >> >> -- >> >> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >> >> Founder, Director & Chief Scientist; Lanka Software Foundation; >> >> http://www.opensource.lk/ >> >> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2; http://wso2.com/ >> >> Founder & Director; Thinkcube Systems; http://www.thinkcube.com/ >> >> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >> >> Member; Sahana Software Foundation; http://www.sahanafoundation.org/ >> >> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ >> >> >> >> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ > > -- > Daniel Kulp > [email protected] > http://dankulp.com/blog >
