On 22 January 2018 at 03:10, Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 January 2018 at 15:54, Tomasz Kłoczko <kloczko.tom...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
[..]
> > 8) Why we have %{centos} %ifings? Theoretically Centos is EL derivate up
> to
> > ABI level so all this should be:
> >
> > a) removed
> > b) replaced by %{el6} and %{el7} (and if it is anything older .. remove)
> > c) if ContOS guys are using Fedora gir repos to preserve some CentOS
> > specific changes they should move all this stuff to own git (create
> project
> > on github it is not rocket science). IMO definitely %{centos} is next
> > candidate to remove from master branch.
>
> It might help to do some further research before speculating.
I've done my reserch.
These a, b and c points are not speculations.
They describes 3 only possibilities explanations about what needs to be
done.
Other facts which other people replaying on may email may only shorten this
list os possible to do scenarios.
> The CentOS 'guys' do maintain everything in their repo.
OK so here you just gave me +1 for a). Thx.
You are somehow
> assuming that other maintainers only maintain packages in Fedora for
> Fedora. They don't. They may use the same spec with slight changes in
all kinds of subprojects and tools, and Fedora is just yet another
> operating system to them. So I would go search for all kinds of things
> like mageia, suse, even debian in the spec files as they may show up
> because the maintainer wants that spec file to work elsewhere also.
>
Please discuss this with yourself because I had no such though even for
fraction of the second.
Please stop reading between the lines. Please read what I wrote straight.
The issue is that to a various developers, the package is just a step
> they need to fill out to get the package into Fedora, CentOS, RHEL,
> Mageia, etc.
So now you are assuming things taken from nowhere :)
Just checked and all specs from Fedora master and I found 3 Fedora specs
with Mageia %ifings.
[tkloczko@domek SPECS.fedora]$ for i in mageia; do grep '%{?'$i * |awk -F\.
'{print $1}' | uniq ; done
mock-core-configs
mock
rust-packaging
Just checked mock from Fedora master and Mageia.
In Fedora is mock 1.4.8. In Mageia 1.4.2. Mageia is using completely
different spec with removed all distro type or version %ifings.
It is not the same spec as this one in Fedora.
In Mageia mock-core-configs is in the same version but uses it uses
completely different spec.
rust-packaging as well as mock-core-configs is in the same version as in
Fedora but again .. spec is completely different.
Just one test:
$ diff -u rust-packaging.spec.mageia rust-packaging.spec | diffstat
rust-packaging.spec | 82
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------------
1 file changed, 51 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-)
Next time try to spend at least few seconds to verification something
before forming some speculations.
Thank you to point that remove Mageia %ifings is next possible (small this
time) thing to do.
> They pull in what they want to make it work and could
> give a care if it is readable to anyone else. They know it has to pass
> some rules, but beyond that anything that causes them more headaches
> like extra branching, etc is just a reason to tell the person who is
> pushing it to go jump in a lake. It has nothing to do with the EPEL
> project, the CentOS project, RHEL, or anything else. It has to do with
> the developer/maintainer of the package getting what they want for the
> least amount of effort because they have 10k other things they MUST
> work on instead.
>
I've just checked it and it is not true.
Mageia people are using own set of specs.
They've done what was not possible to do up to now in Fedora.
They are using in all specs the same indentation which is quite close to
style which I've proposed first time more than ~24 years ago submitting
biggest part of the packages to RHCN.
Fedora has no standard on this area and most of the packagers are using
BecauseWeCan(tm) format/indentation.
Because Mageia people are using some standard (whatever this standard is)
looks like they are using Fedora spec only on start maintaining some new
packages.
In other words by definition they cannot share results of they own work.
Such standard on indentation is MAJOR OBSTACLE on sharing/reusing every
change between any distributions and Fedora.
Until you, Igor and others start engaging the maintainers to
> understand why doing those things solve problems for them.. and why
> they aren't moving to newer tools.. this is not going to end well.
>
Really sorry but this is EXACTLY what I'm doing here :)
kloczek
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