On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 16:03, Ben Rosser <rosser....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:55 PM Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > From what I have talked with in the past.. 3 years is their bare
> > minimum and 7 is their what we really want. It usually takes the
> > vendor about 3-6 months of work to make sure the OS works on their
> > hardware without major problems and then they want people to buy
> > support contracts for 3-5 years where the number of problems needed in
> > year 3-5 are none. [This means that they want to have Fedora N for 3-6
> > months before their laptops ship with it. So you ship them a frozen
> > preload before you release to public. They also want any shipped to
> > 'last' for the warranty cycle because trying to deal with update
> > questions when N eol's in the middle costs them a lot.]
>
> If 7 years is what manufacturers really want, then it sounds like

Well they also want a Ferrari and all support to be done upstream for
free. 7 is usually their counter to 13 months. You start going down
there to find that what they really settle for will be 3-4 years as
most people don't extend warranties that long.



> CentOS is much better positioned to be get shipped on laptops than
> Fedora. Instead of working on a new "Fedora LTS" for this usage case,
> would time be better spent improving EPEL and CentOS for the
> desktop/laptop use case? I'd always thought of CentOS/RHEL as "Fedora
> LTS" anyway, to be honest.
>
> Ben Rosser
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