I'm also facing the pulley menu problem with long lists in my app.
> Could we go the browser way and have some sort of a standard situation
and
> show menu activation button when e.g. user scrolls up a little?
The browser works this way. However, it has a small delay before it
displays it. Slow scrolling up doesn't display it at all. That's why I end
up swiping the page up and down to see it.
SilicaListView inside SIlicaFlickable sounds like a good solution. I'm not
concerned about space in portrait orientation. In landscape, it's an issue
only if the page header is very large.
Having a fixed header would also help with the lack of context. In mail
app, I sometimes forget which folder I have opened, so I need to scroll all
the way up to see its name. A fixed header with a page title would help.
Sadly, the Jolla apps which ship with the device haven't solved this. It is
a pain to access pulley menu in long lists (mail, Jolla store all
categories page, Media player all songs page, jolla-fileman Files..).
I wish Jolla would come up with a solution for the pulley menu access
problem. It would be sad to see every app solve it differently.
Cheers,
Kari
2013/12/27 Luciano Montanaro <mikel...@gmail.com>
> Yes, that would be an option.
> Hide the header when the list is scrolled... but if the user inverts
> the scroll direction, the header would reappear. I am not overly
> concerned about space at the moment, and my header actually is a
> search field, so it should probably stay visible at all times.
>
> The problem is, we still are trying to guess how things are supposed to
> work.
> I hoped that once the Jolla device hit the market, the applications
> shipped with it would give a good number of patterns to follow.
> But there really are not many applications at this stage, so we have
> to figure out this on our own.
>
>
> Thank you for your suggestion as well.
>
> Luciano
>
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Artem Marchenko
> <artem.marche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That solves the problem, but.. it's sort of sad that in order to show
> > PulleyMenu that exists by large part for saving space for the useful
> primary
> > stuff, you have to.. eat space back for the always present header.
> >
> > Could we go the browser way and have some sort of a standard situation
> and
> > show menu activation button when e.g. user scrolls up a little? Still
> ugly,
> > but would save some space.
> >
> > Artem.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov <
> coderusin...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It will work on top part every time, and if you scroll to top it will
> work
> >> as usual too.
> >>
> >> and afaik official QuickScroller for SilicaListView is under
> development.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26.12.2013 23:12, Luciano Montanaro wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Andrey,
> >>>
> >>> the Flickable trick should do, and I was thinking about those lines as
> >>> well, although the details are important, and you just saved me a few
> >>> hours of trial and errors.
> >>> I am not completely happy about it, since this will work only on the
> >>> top part of the screen, but at least the application will keep usable.
> >>>
> >>> About the second point, I agree that is an option... and I will use it
> >>> of course, but this is not an uncommon situation, I guess, so it would
> >>> be better to have a solution at the silica toolkit level, instead of
> >>> having appliations implement their own or copy over qml libraries.
> >>>
> >>> So maybe a SectionScroller, or SectionGrid (or both! Not all models
> >>> would work well with the alpha grid as addressbooks) should be
> >>> available for applications to use in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Luciano
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov
> >>> <coderusin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I solved this in two ways:
> >>>> 1. Put SilicaListView inside SIlicaFlickable.
> >>>>
> >>>> SilicaFlickable {
> >>>> interactive: !listView.flicking
> >>>> pressDelay: 0
> >>>> PullDownMenu {}
> >>>> PageHeader {}
> >>>> SilicaListView {
> >>>> pressDelay: 0
> >>>> }
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> Now i have fixed header and can always pull down menu, and its not
> >>>> intercepting with long lists inside ListView
> >>>>
> >>>> pressDelay: 0
> >>>> 2. Implemented FastScroll based on section sctolling. Just ported QML
> >>>> FastScroll component from harmattan components to Silica. Looks very
> >>>> nice
> >>>> and suitable for Sailfish UI.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 26.12.2013 17:38, Luciano Montanaro wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi everybody,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the second problem I realized I have, now that I can test my
> >>>>> application on the actual hardware:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With a long list of items in the view, it is possible to go so much
> >>>>> down the list of items, that accessing the pulley menu becomes
> >>>>> difficult.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Harmattan, this problem is avoided by two features:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * The toolbar is always visible and
> >>>>> * Long lists can be scrolled quickly through the use of the section
> >>>>> scroller item.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am open to suggestions on how to fix this usability problem in my
> >>>>> application...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since I modeled the list on the "Contacts" application behavior, one
> >>>>> possibility is to do what the People internal application does:
> >>>>> Search on top, then favorites, recent stations, and alphabet grid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only problem is: the alphabet grid view is not available as a
> >>>>> Silica item for general use... Am I right? Is it planned for a furter
> >>>>> update?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alternatively, is something along the line of the SectionScroller
> >>>>> planned for a future update?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you and best regards,
> >>>>> Luciano
> >>>>>
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