On 24/05/2014 16:25, Thomas Tanghus wrote:
On Thursday 22 May 2014 15:18 David Greaves wrote:
There's been enough noise on this mailing list recently that some people
have felt they don't want to participate.

We need to be careful about over-policing discussions but there is such a
thing as under-policing too.

How would we (community, not Jolla) determine the line? and what measures do
we think should be taken?

Lorn pointed to this as a useful document:
   http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/

FWIW I personally don't think there's anything happened recently that I
would actually take action over. My delete key works fine and history shows
that sometimes cries for help come in strange forms.

David/lbt

PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific issues
out of it.

I think grievances about the community or Jolla should be allowed to a certain
degree. Non-relevant personal attacks and/or trolling should not be allowed
though.

Hi,

I believe that when there is something wrong (anywhere in the world) it's good to point that out and discuss it as much as possible. Only by analyzing what went wrong and how it could have gone better we (as human beings, community, companies) can improve.

Discussing means (to me) trying to understand the facts, the emotions, and the assumptions on how it should have been and then find a way forward. Discussion implies an exchange of information (so it's not a "I talk when you are done talking" but a "I listen while you talk and then I will talk back on the same topic (but stay with me please)").

Personal attacks or trolling are of course not constructive discussion and usually just because personal attacks and trolling are not a discussion at all (you need at least 2 to tango).

These things won't happen often - if they do there is something wrong that
should solved instead. Communication is vital for a community to survive.

And when they happen they are halting the whole community for a long amount of time and focusing the eyes of the community on that.

I refrain from proposing (even without a Jolla hat) how I would generally handle trolling. I let you guys figure it out, it's a pretty well known problem with well known solutions tested for centuries.


As per the tools I think the tools are not so relevant as long as the community finds its way to discuss. Personally I don't love forums but that is only my preference, as I don't like pizza with pineapple.

Cheers
--
Stefano Mosconi
without a Jolla hat
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