Thanks Irene. What I was getting at was that it is easier for party members to know as the party has their details and is in contact with them rather then what happens in a primary for the Conservative Party where local people are asked to attend a huskings with no other information unless they can find out something from Iain Dale or something.
Support solar power in the developing world. http://www.everyclick.com/solaraid http://www.solar-aid.org/ ________________________________ From: Irene Rukerebuka <[email protected]> To: "mySociety public, general purpose discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 10 April, 2010 16:37:16 Subject: Re: [mySociety:public] Conservative Primaries I am with the Lib Dems and you're right Abdul, only members can vote. It is a transparent process and we know quite a bit about the candidate but that could just be my area-which actually is a poor Lib D area and like 98% Tory. The selection process starts pretty much right after the general election give or take. We've been sent emails about starting up again. But I think it is different for all parties. I do know that with Labour, speaking to some different people in various positions that it's that they tend to already know who will stand where because there is such a huge waiting list anyhow. Not sure about the Greens. Re the Jury party-independents-it is continous. I have a friend who is looking to stand and they pretty much set up their own campaign and way. Not sure about UKIP or BNP! But could probably find out... I agree Francis about your concept though and like it. I do find having played with the online game to get the PPC details, that a phone call would be much better to get hold of any of these details. MP's are too protected by their parties and shielded and all you get is lip service. On 10 April 2010 16:11, Francis Irving <[email protected]> wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 01:28:14PM +0000, Abdul Hai wrote: >>> I agree with to a certain extent Francis but I think it should be >>> more of an information site rather than a campaigning one. >>> >>> It should be a new site and maybe you could run a test during the >>> next by election to get it ready for the next general election. > >Candidate selection can be ongoing throughout the period between >>General Elections. At least, I know selections were happening a couple >>of years ago. > >>Anyone know, how soon after an Election do parties start to select >>candidates for the next election for any seats? > > >>> I am not a member of any party as once I used to work in a >>> politically sensitive job so I don't take part in local parties but >>> I could be wrong my understanding is that with the Liberal Democrats >>> and Labour parties that it is the members who vote and they are >>> likely to be more knowledgeable but with the Conservatives it is >>> anyone who is eligible can vote. >>> >>> I was unable to attend the last primary but the information on the >>> candidates was lacking and the vast majority of people who attended >>> were not members of the party so they had no time to gather any >>> information. > >Right! It is a very invisible, unscrutinised process. > >>Francis > >>> ________________________________ From: Francis Irving > >> <[email protected]> To: "mySociety public, general purpose >>> discussion list" <[email protected]> Cc: - >>> <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 10 April, 2010 13:07:54 >>> Subject: Re: [mySociety:public] Conservative Primaries >>> >>> Great idea Abdul. Julian Todd has been saying similar things, and we >>> reckon something like the following would fit the bill: >>> >>> After the Election, I would like somebody (it would fit well with >>> YourNextMP or DemocracyClub, or could be a new project) to track >>> candidate selection for all parties on an ongoing basis. >>> >>> The site would feature: >>> >>> * A page for each local party, with information about how it selects >>> candidates, who is up for nomination, what stage it is at, who has >>> been selected, deselected etc. >>> >>> * All the data obviously structured, with history etc. Would have to >>> be user submitted data (YourNextMP style). If there are any votes, >>> how many people voted which way, how many attended the meeting etc. >>> >>> * Email alerts to give you updates about parties in your >>> constituency, e.g. when there are public selection meetings, or when >>> it might be worth joining a party in order to influence selection. >>> >>> * A way of sharing information about people running to be PPCs. >>> Basically a YourNextMP type set of information on them. >>> >>> * A measure of how democratic the process is for each party (locally >>> and on average nationally). Other national party statistics >>> aggregated from the local party info. >>> >>> * Possibly could be a campaigning site, with a way of asking / >>> lobbying for open primaries, or other improvements to candidate >>> selection processes. >>> >>> * Possibly could be a "local party" scrutiny site - so could have >>> info other than about selection, such as number of local party >>> members, local party donations and so on. >>> >>> What Voter Power (http://www.voterpower.org.uk/) reminds us, is that >>> most people don't get a vote for their MP. The MP is preordained, >>> based on the process the party uses to select the candidate. >>> >>> A way of improving democracy would be to have more scrutiny of the >>> candidate selection process. >>> >>> Francis >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:18:47PM +0000, Abdul Hai wrote: >>> > I have been thinking about this for sometime and I was thinking >>> > wouldn't be a good idea to have a site for all Conservative >>> > Primaries for the next election. Before people starting making >>> > comments I would like to say that even though I am Conservative >>> > supporter it would be useful for non Conservatives as the >>> > Primaries are open to the general public who live in the area even >>> > if they are not natural supporters. >>> > >>> > We had one in my local area and it would have been useful for >>> > people to have a site that gave information. I know a lot of >>> > people who went there are not Tory voters. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Mailing list >>> [email protected] Archive, settings, or >>> unsubscribe: >>> https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ Mailing list > >> [email protected] Archive, settings, or >>> unsubscribe: >>> https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public > > >-- Help beat party propaganda at the next election - >www.democracyclub.org.uk > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Mailing list [email protected] >>Archive, settings, or unsubscribe: >https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/mailman/listinfo/developers-public > -- Irene Rukerebuka 37 Hunters Way Tunbridge Wells Kent TN2 5QF m: 07826255452 t: www.twitter.com/rantersparadise w: www.hubnovation.org.uk
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