Yeah, for sure. You're right.

I only joined a party like a year and a half ago. I could never get any info
at all.  I found I had to join a party-that I agreed with its vision the
most-to find anything out about politics or democracy.



On 10 April 2010 17:09, Abdul Hai <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks Irene.
>
> What I was getting at was that it is easier for party members to know as
> the party has their details and is in contact with them rather then what
> happens in a primary for the Conservative Party where local people are asked
> to attend a huskings with no other information unless they can find out
> something from Iain Dale or something.
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> *From:* Irene Rukerebuka <[email protected]>
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> *To:* "mySociety public, general purpose discussion list" <
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> *Sent:* Sat, 10 April, 2010 16:37:16
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> *Subject:* Re: [mySociety:public] Conservative Primaries
>
> I am with the Lib Dems and you're right Abdul, only members can vote. It is
> a transparent process and we know quite a bit about the candidate but that
> could just be my area-which actually is a poor Lib D area and like 98% Tory.
>
> The selection process starts pretty much right after the general election
> give or take. We've been sent emails about starting up again.
>
> But I think it is different for all parties. I do know that with Labour,
> speaking to some different people in various positions that it's that they
> tend to already know who will stand where because there is such a huge
> waiting list anyhow.
>
> Not sure about the Greens. Re the Jury party-independents-it is continous.
> I have a friend who is looking to stand and they pretty much set up their
> own campaign and way.
>
> Not sure about UKIP or BNP! But could probably find out...
>
> I agree Francis about your concept though and like it. I do find having
> played with the online game to get the PPC details, that a phone call would
> be much better to get hold of any of these details.  MP's are too protected
> by their parties and shielded and all you get is lip service.
>
> On 10 April 2010 16:11, Francis Irving <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 01:28:14PM +0000, Abdul Hai wrote:
>> > I agree with to a certain extent Francis but I think it should be
>> > more of an information site rather than a campaigning one.
>> >
>> > It should be a new site and maybe you could run a test during the
>> > next by election to get it ready for the next general election.
>>
>> Candidate selection can be ongoing throughout the period between
>> General Elections. At least, I know selections were happening a couple
>> of years ago.
>>
>> Anyone know, how soon after an Election do parties start to select
>> candidates for the next election for any seats?
>>
>> > I am not a member of any party as once I used to work in a
>> > politically sensitive job so I don't take part in local parties but
>> > I could be wrong my understanding is that with the Liberal Democrats
>> > and Labour parties that it is the members who vote and they are
>> > likely to be more knowledgeable but with the Conservatives it is
>> > anyone who is eligible can vote.
>> >
>> > I was unable to attend the last primary but the information on the
>> > candidates was lacking and the vast majority of people who attended
>> > were not members of the party so they had no time to gather any
>> > information.
>>
>> Right! It is a very invisible, unscrutinised process.
>>
>> Francis
>>
>> > ________________________________ From: Francis Irving
>> > <[email protected]> To: "mySociety public, general purpose
>> > discussion list" <[email protected]> Cc: -
>> > <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 10 April, 2010 13:07:54
>> > Subject: Re: [mySociety:public] Conservative Primaries
>> >
>> > Great idea Abdul. Julian Todd has been saying similar things, and we
>> > reckon something like the following would fit the bill:
>> >
>> > After the Election, I would like somebody (it would fit well with
>> > YourNextMP or DemocracyClub, or could be a new project) to track
>> > candidate selection for all parties on an ongoing basis.
>> >
>> > The site would feature:
>> >
>> > * A page for each local party, with information about how it selects
>> > candidates, who is up for nomination, what stage it is at, who has
>> > been selected, deselected etc.
>> >
>> > * All the data obviously structured, with history etc. Would have to
>> > be user submitted data (YourNextMP style). If there are any votes,
>> > how many people voted which way, how many attended the meeting etc.
>> >
>> > * Email alerts to give you updates about parties in your
>> > constituency, e.g. when there are public selection meetings, or when
>> > it might be worth joining a party in order to influence selection.
>> >
>> > * A way of sharing information about people running to be PPCs.
>> > Basically a YourNextMP type set of information on them.
>> >
>> > * A measure of how democratic the process is for each party (locally
>> > and on average nationally). Other national party statistics
>> > aggregated from the local party info.
>> >
>> > * Possibly could be a campaigning site, with a way of asking /
>> > lobbying for open primaries, or other improvements to candidate
>> > selection processes.
>> >
>> > * Possibly could be a "local party" scrutiny site - so could have
>> > info other than about selection, such as number of local party
>> > members, local party donations and so on.
>> >
>> > What Voter Power (http://www.voterpower.org.uk/) reminds us, is that
>> > most people don't get a vote for their MP. The MP is preordained,
>> > based on the process the party uses to select the candidate.
>> >
>> > A way of improving democracy would be to have more scrutiny of the
>> > candidate selection process.
>> >
>> > Francis
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:18:47PM +0000, Abdul Hai wrote:
>> > > I have been thinking about this for sometime and I was thinking
>> > > wouldn't be a good idea to have a site for all Conservative
>> > > Primaries for the next election. Before people starting making
>> > > comments I would like to say that even though I am Conservative
>> > > supporter it would be useful for non Conservatives as the
>> > > Primaries are open to the general public who live in the area even
>> > > if they are not natural supporters.
>> > >
>> > > We had one in my local area and it would have been useful for
>> > > people to have a site that gave information. I know a lot of
>> > > people who went there are not Tory voters.
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