Just adding a bit to the mmbase/framework discussion. I haven't made a mmbase site from completely from scratch so far, but I've seen several mmbase sites which needed a certain functionality which isn't possible with mmbase tags (or maybe too complex), so inline jsp code was used. In some cases, there were even java classes within the jsp templates (*horror*). So you get a lot of templates with too much code in them. Not really a good way to use templates IMHO.
If you really want to do it "the right way", you problably need to create servlets. But that would require the jsp designer knowledge of servlets too. In can understand that struts might be to too complex to combine with mmbase. But I can imagine that adding a more "simple" framework, which has a basic set of features, would make the template design for a mmbase site much cleaner (without having to request a new mmbase tag for every functionality you need). I'm sure there's a java framework out there which could be useful. just my 2 cents ... Ricardo. -------------------------------------------- Ricardo Kustner IC&S B.V. Stadhouderslaan 57 3583 JD Utrecht The Netherlands http://www.ic-s.nl T: +31 30 6355730 F: +31 30 6355731 PGP-key: http://www.ic-s.nl/keys/ricardo.txt
