On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:48:12AM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote:
> > I don't understand where is the problem. What installer are you using?
> 
> We are using Sun's installer for installing Sun Java JRE 1.4.2
> 
> > And what files from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/ are in
> > violation of Sun Microsystems'copyright?
> 
> According to the information Matthew Toseland presented, the JRE installer
> (I can't remember the exact filename but it's symlinked as
> jre-win32-latest.exe)
> However, reading http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/jre/README suggests that
> "JRE is freely distributable".
> 
> So, I don't know.
> 
> In case you're wondering why we're talking about this at all: a while ago,
> we didn't mirror the Sun JRE download at freenetproject.org;  now we do
> that, but apparently the reason there isn't a debian distro of freenet is
> because *mirroring Sun's JRE installer is in violation of Sun's licence*. 
> Or at least this is the impression I received from the previous
> discussion.
> 
> So we're now discussing whether we should remove the Sun JRE download from
> freenetproject.org; or whether or not this really is a violation of Sun's
> licence.
> 
> Anyone: Is that *really* the reason there isn't a debian distro of
> freenet?  I thought it was rather because Sun JRE was 'non free' in that
> it wasn't GPL or Berkeley licenced?

No, there are very many packages in the debian non-free distribution.
> 
> d
> 
> > In the worst case you could only distribute the source code for every
> > user to compile but that wouldn't be too nice because java sdk is a big
> > download. You can also distribute compiled versions over freenet
> > (published "anonymously" :) ) so there will be problems only for the
> > first install and not for the updates (make the update program read the
> > files from a SSK).
> 
> Naw, that's not what we're talking about.  Obviously The Free Net Project
> is allowed to distributed its own files ... compiled, source, or
> otherwise.  The problem relates to the fact that we were distributing
> Sun's software (the actual Java Runtime Environment, or JRE, which
> includes the Java Virtual Machine, which is essentially what enables your
> computer to run programs written in Java, which includes Freenet, which is
> what we're all about)
> 
> > Gcj is a solution to produce executable files...but not for some freenet
> > features....probably.
> 
> Actually, we are kindof working towards a GCJ Freenet, kindof.  Ideally
> we'd like to use a 'free' Java runtime but the alternatives seem to not be
> as stable or fully-featured as Sun's, so we're relying on Sun JRE for now.
> 
> 
> d
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