On Saturday 13 December 2008 00:27, Zero3 wrote: > Ian Clarke skrev: > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière > > <nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote: > > > >> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes > >> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it > >> is: special cases suck and should be avoided. It's not like there wasn't > >> any alternative. > >> > > > > Nextgens, I don't understand why you are being so hostile here. Zero3 > > has generously offered to provide something the project desperately > > needs, a simple installer for Windows. Windows isn't just a "special > > case", its the majority of our target user-base! > > > > We should be encouraging Zero3 to do this and offering to help in any > > way possible, not attacking him. > > > > Ian. > > > > > > I'm seriously starting to doubt if Freenet actually wants help from anyone. > > You started this discussion with a request for better/native installers > and I offer to give it a try for Windows. toad says it's a good idea, > but stuff done differently from the current installer needs to be > discussed first. As soon as the discussions start, nextgens puts down > veto. So I'm feeling quite stuck in the middle here. On one hand, you > and toad encourage my contribution, and on the other nextgens tries to > prevent it from happening.
As Ian (not only nextgens) has pointed out, lots of people including Microsoft ship small installers that download most of the files needed. It's not a blocker for your installer. It would make it simpler, and it would prevent people in hostile regimes from making mistakes. But it does not prevent you from making an installer. If a user needs to go through a proxy to access HTTP, chances are Freenet won't work anyway. > > If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you > guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first? We are trying to! Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet project than you have, and I don't want to have to take on administering emu unless he gets hit by a bus. Therefore we have to take his views into account. > > To be honest, I'm kind of wondering if it is actually worth spending my > time on contributing anything to Freenet at all. It certainly hasn't > been a pleasant experience so far. I hope that I'm the sad > once-in-a-lifetime case for this project... > > - Zero3
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