On Monday 27 July 2009 18:42:11 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Matthew > Toseland<t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote: > >> > I disagree, php or java reduces performance and increases costs, for all > >> > hosting options. > >> > >> Are you serious? I can imagine someone making that kind of argument > >> against dynamic page generation in 1994, but not now. > > > > It happens to be true. On grounds of security, performance and cost. We get > > a lot of hits, and any cheap hosting option, including the Google app > > platform, will be much slower with .php's than with static HTML. > > Well, firstly you can't use PHP on the Google App platform, it has to > be Python or Java, and I suspect in either case it will be as fast as > we could ever need it to be. > > > And we don't want an expensive hosting option: we want to save money. > > Crippling our website to save a few dollars per month (and that is, at > most, all it would be) is extremely short-sighted. Google App Engine > is free up to a pretty high traffic volume AFAIK. I think we'd > probably have a hard time finding hosting that *didn't* support some > form of dynamic page generation. > > >> I don't like using Javascript for this, and I certainly don't like the > >> assumption that we are no-longer permitted to do any dynamic page > >> generation server side. That is crazy. > > > > We don't use it now. We haven't used it for years, all the php stuff is is > > SSIs, which > > can be compiled in advance. But please step back a bit: we are talking > > about what > > happens *when javascript is turned off*. Only paranoid geeks turn off > > javascript. If > > they have to choose their OS then that's no great hardship for them. > > Except that it appears to be unreliable even with Javascript turned > on. I experienced problems with it in Safari 4 (with Javascript most > assuredly switched on).
Right, so we need to determine whether we can reliably detect the operating system in the 3 major browsers using javascript only. If we can't then clearly we need to do it on the server. Acceptable? ... On Tuesday 28 July 2009 19:59:43 Florent Daignière wrote: > * Ian Clarke <i...@locut.us> [2009-07-27 12:42:11]: > > Crippling our website to save a few dollars per month (and that is, at > > most, all it would be) is extremely short-sighted. Google App Engine > > is free up to a pretty high traffic volume AFAIK. I think we'd > > probably have a hard time finding hosting that *didn't* support some > > form of dynamic page generation. > > > > Hmmm, Freenet? > > To do what is proposed (change the download button/text depending on the > user-agent/OS), you need redirects: not dynamic page generation. > Okay so there is a cheap solution as long as we have access to the server config. Great.
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