On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Zero3<ze...@zerosplayground.dk> wrote:
> Evan Daniel skrev:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Zero3<ze...@zerosplayground.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>>>>
>>>> Also the uninstall survey has dried up, there are very few responses
>>>> now, too few to be useful. Maybe we should always show it if opennet was
>>>> enabled? Or would even that be too much?
>>>
>>> Please don't. It is very hostile (usability wise) to automatically pop
>>> up these kind of surveys. Not even speaking of the fact that we
>>> effectively would stab uninstalling users in the back by automatically
>>> contacting freenetproject.org (which *MOST LIKELY* will be monitored in
>>> hostile regimes).
>>
>> If the user was running opennet in a hostile regime, they already shot
>> themselves in the foot. Loading that web page won't make things any
>> worse.
>
> Surely there is no point in nailing the coffin an extra time by connecting
> to something as obviously Freenet-ish as our official home page?
>
> I don't think we should assume that because opennet was enabled, the user is
> caught anyway, and thereby thinking that we might as well use the
> opportunity to ask for his uninstallation feedback ("Thanks. You just gave
> me 10 years in prison. Best regards, Mr. Wong" ;)).
If he turned on opennet, then it downloaded the seednodes list from
that server, right? I suppose there's some chance he installed it in
a safe regime, moved to a hostile regime that monitors the web server
but not the seednodes, didn't turn off opennet, and is now
uninstalling -- but that seems like a rather unlikely case.
Besides, if you're uninstalling, you're not doing anything illegal any
more. I don't think I've heard about people disappearing just for
visiting a single web page, even in rather oppressive regimes. The
problem is running Freenet, not visiting the web site (though that
might get you noticed).
We should worry about our users' security. However, if we don't
collect survey data, it's harder to improve Freenet. That has
security implications as well: if Freenet isn't usable, our potential
users are using less secure alternatives (or not communicating).
Security risks are worth worrying about, but sufficiently tiny ones
don't outweigh things that are useful for other reasons, imho.
Evan Daniel
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