On Sunday, November 27, 2016 05:39:09 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 11:18 AM, [email protected] > wrote: > > Your initial goal with the poll was to prevent embezzlement of the funds. > > No, it was to choose priorities in a fair democratized way, as opposed to a > small number of people making all the decisions in a chat room that most > people aren't part of (which resulted in what appears to be either > stagnation of our userbase or a loss of users depending on how you count > it).
I'm sorry, the embezzlement aspect was what I remember you saying. Unfortunately it failed under the "listen to the users beyond IRC" aspect as well: There are 8 participants which aren't on IRC. Thats a factor 90 less than the previous uservoice poll which had at least 716 participants. Why not just use that one then? > > There are some tough administrative decisions remaining to make about > > stage 3, namely which voters to exclude from stage 3 because they look > > like a sybil attack. > > I really don't understand how this could have been such a roadblock. If > there is obvious abuse then we just ignore that feedback. Why is this so > hard? It seems like you're looking for reasons to declare a democratic > process is a failure. First of all, I *am* completely willing to do these difficult decisions. Just not as a volunteer-looking-to-be-hired, the job decision has to happen first. Because: Would it be democratic if I, as the person whose job is being voted about, decided who could vote and who could not? That's like politicians deciding about who gets to vote on them. I mean geez, people already excused me of manipulating the poll so I get hired just because I *voted* for things they didn't like. What do you think will happen if I influence who is hired by excluding people from the poll? > > Ian, you need to accept the fact that you don't have the time to be the > > sole person to steer this project. > > I agree, and I have agreed many times - the problem isn't that I'm clinging > on to "power", the problem is the lack of someone with the enthusiasm, > vision, and ability to take over coordination of the project, or at least > to share this responsibility and push things forward. If I have overlooked > anyone suitable raising their hand then please let me know. Good :) My mail was precisely intended as a request for what you're asking for here - I'd like to call the shots again. Are the 50 hours/month I spend on Freenet currently sufficient to count as "enthusiasm" ? :) > > We act as the grown up engineers we are and accept the fact that our > > experiment of a new approach, while being nice in theory, has failed - > > while the old one had produced over 3000 commits [1] over two years which > >*are* deployed *and* being usable by our users. > > Counting commits is a terrible way to measure progress. Progress should be > measured in terms of whether we're rolling out features and fixing bugs that > help us acquire new users and keep the ones we already have. Fine, then let me point you at the changelog of WoT build 18: It deployed a factor 28 speed improvement of one of the core operations of WoT (removing trust values). Here's a graph: http://i.imgur.com/ywZ0CsX.png Also, the user interface of WoT has received a full revamp, and there have been 83 other tasks fixed by the recent builds 15 to 18 only (excluding the 30 tasks of build 19 as I did that as a volunteer already): https://bugs.freenetproject.org/changelog_page.php?project_id=11 > > we conclude that we maybeshould just revert to the old approach as it has > > at least been producingworking results. > > Has it? All WoT releases I did as an employee are deployed. With regards to the "working" aspect: For example build 19 has been out for months and there hasn't been a single bug report. > Then why have we been losing users? What users want the most - filesharing - is just more years of work than I had the chance to provide yet. I'm a programmer, not a wizard :) > Why have we had to put up with an embarrassment of a website? Ademan is working on finishing the new site; I just this week discussed l10n aspects with him. So could we please consider this a discussion not worthwhile to pursue any further? I think the new design looks nice and support it. > What are the major user-facing features that have been rolled out over > the past 2 years? The aforementioned new web interface of WoT and the fixes for the previously very unacceptable performance. This isn't a lot, but the sucky performance of WoT blocks at least 5 major new applications from being deployed, so it must be addressed. (Filesharing, Sone, Forums, Mail, Blogging) > What has the project done to attract attention? I have personally told *hundreds* of people about our lack of funding, including journalists and friends of EU politicians. They're still open to discussion with me; but I won't do so until we first actually use the money we have. I don't want to displease them. > The old approach is not a responsible way to deploy $25k. I do feel it is unfair if you say such things to me considering you did not even *see* the previous approach: You weren't in "the office", aka IRC. How can you judge whether my approach of talking to the community was acceptable if you didn't even attend our common workplace? Also I wrote very detailed invoices and sent all of them to you, Matthew and Steve for review. There weren't any complaints as far as I remember. Why do you complain now when I cannot change anything about it anymore? This certainly feels a lot like the common trope of the management never being at the office at all and then suddenly appearing and telling everyone how everything they're doing is wrong. I'm sorry to say so; but I'm very certainly not the only one who has had this feeling. Many other of your "employees", i.e. volunteers, are displeased as well and have voiced that in length on IRC. - Which is why I'd like us to just stop the arguing and figure out the quickest way to make someone produce code instead of flamewars :)
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