Would you please explain what the practical difference is between the
following:

1. Put everything in FCP. Including queueing and big FEC downloads.
Binary metadata, hierarchical metadata, etc, dealt with by the node.
Third party clients interface to this. Clients can range from very
simple (but still able to download any size file) to very complex.

2. All of the above plus:
- Fproxy can queue a file, so the user doesn't have to copy a link from
  the page into a separate application just to download a file posted on
  a web site. Or are you saying that files shouldn't be posted on web
  sites??? THAT I strongly object to.
- Fproxy offers a minimal status interface to show the current status of
  the global queue.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 02:02:22PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2005, at 13:19, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >Right, you undermine the whole web metaphor by requiring users to  
> >use a
> >third party GUI tool. And the web metaphor is one of the key things  
> >that
> >makes freenet interesting. It's only possible because we have global
> >reachability. And it shows that our goals are freedom of speech and  
> >not
> >"file sharing".
> 
> Yes, except that files downloaded through the web browser will be  
> able to offer no useful information about how much has been  
> downloaded in the manner the user normally expects as the pieces of  
> the file must be downloaded in random order.  This may seem like a  
> minor detail, but in actual fact represents a fairly fundamental  
> usability problem.  The advantage of sticking to a pre-existing  
> metaphor is that the system works in the way users expect.  Requiring  
> that the user visits a separate page to check on the file download  
> progress totally destroys any usability benefit of the web metaphor  
> because it isn't what users expect.
> 
> The correct solution is using a "Freenet aware" third-party client  
> that doesn't require us to hammer the square peg of a Freenet  
> download, into the round hole of a web browser.  The "web metaphor"  
> is all very well when it is appropriate, but in the case of the  
> download of large files from Freenet, it simply isn't.  Better to do  
> it properly than to impose an inappropriate metaphor where it doesn't  
> belong.
> 
> Ian.
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