On 6/28/06, Thomas Bruderer <bruthoma at student.ethz.ch> wrote:
> > Well, I have never heard or read that Toad said that, but the
> > response to anyone that did say that is that the darknet is there so
> > that it is available to those that need it.  If people don't need the
> > security offered by participating in a darknet, then they should use
> > the opennet.
>
> exactly, and users already do so in IRC or the auto-link adders.
>
> >
> > > If really nobody wants to use darknet, whats the point in keeping
> > > it with all
> > > forces?
> >
> > Even if most people don't need a darknet, it doesn't mean that nobody
> > needs a darknet.
> You missunderstood me, I don't want to remove darknet. But Toad tells us if we
> would do an opennet nobody (1%) would use the darknet. I think he is absolutly
> right in this observation, but right now those other 99% wont even try 
> freenet.
>
> > Perhaps not, for you.
> Don't be too sure about that.
>
> I just face reality which is, if someone is interested in freenet and wants to
> run a darknet node, he wont find 3 friends in general. In a big opennet the

Getting there takes time but I prefer to wait and get the more robust
and secure solution.

> possibility for users of a darknet is much better, because more of the friends
> are already connected. If its open or dark isnt too important then...
>
> my connections count dropped from around 40 to 16 and I am bored in searching
> new connections every week... 3 connections are simply not enough even when 
> you
> have reliable friends.
>
> Lets do an estimate:
>
> lets say avg uptime 12 hours a day. To have 3 friends up all the time (in 99% 
> of
> the cases) you need.
>
> 3 * p[((0.5^x) > 0.01)] => x = 20
>
> and this is only the case if the downtime is independend, which is unlikely
> since your friends are in the same time zone.
>
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