* Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-09-01 23:00:01]:

> On Monday 01 September 2008 21:49, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> > * Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2008-09-01 21:43:33]:
> > 
> > > On Monday 01 September 2008 19:45, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Matthew Toseland
> > > > <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > > > > 1. Bootstrapping is working extremely slowly at the moment. It takes 
> 5-10
> > > > > minutes for a new node to get 10 peers according to the regular 
> testing 
> > > code.
> > > > 
> > > > What, if anything, are we doing about this?  What can we do about this?
> > > 
> > > We can solicit more seednodes. I've just done that. Beyond that I dunno, 
> maybe 
> > > it is worth investigating to see if there is a bug blocking things.
> > > 
> > > I do think that improving Freenet's speed in general, even after 
> > > bootstrapping, with things like FOAF and better handling of opennet node 
> > > locations, will help us to gain and keep users. Nextgens will enable FOAF 
> > > soon, this should help; when Vivee has some answers, hopefully we'll be 
> able 
> > > to sort out opennet swapping (we've talked extensively about simulations, 
> > > hopefully this will be sorted soon).
> > > > 
> > > > > 2. Many users get confused when we tell them that the ports may not 
> have 
> > > been
> > > > > forwarded, and this certainly leads to some uninstallations. We 
> > > > > should 
> fix
> > > > > the FNPPacketsSent-based not-port-forwarded detection, and only show 
> that
> > > > > message if we have grounds to think we are not port forwarded.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, we should do it.
> > > 
> > > Right.
> > > > 
> > > > > 3. I suspect both this and the lack of content overlap with not 
> knowing 
> > > what
> > > > > to do with Freenet i.e. just the web interface isn't that interesting 
> on 
> > > its
> > > > > own, filesharing and chat need to be easy and obvious.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, so where do fixing these issues fit into our current priorities?
> > > 
> > > As far as #3 goes, I'm open to suggestions.
> > > 
> > > Searching: Lots of users want searching, and are disappointed when they 
> don't 
> > > get it. Integrating XMLLibrarian into freesites and into the homepage 
> would 
> > > help; making XMLSpider easier to use might help too; in any case, we need 
> > > somebody to regularly insert an index.
> > > 
> > > Chat: Saces is working on a plugin to implement FMS. This probably won't 
> have 
> > > a good web interface but may be a middle layer above WoT and below a web 
> > > interface. A web interfaced embeddable chat plugin would be ideal, but 
> making 
> > > Frost use the WoT plugin would also be acceptable; we then have the 
> question 
> > > of how to make users aware of it if it's an external program.
> > > 
> > > Filesharing: Again, how do we make users aware of Thaw, given it's an 
> external 
> > > program? Or do we tightly integrate the ThawIndexPlugin? I haven't used 
> it, 
> > > how useful is it?
> > 
> > It useful, we should do it.
> > 
> Saces already did, right? In which case we should include it in the default 
> plugins list?

I think we should, yes.
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