On Friday 12 June 2009 21:51:56 Luke771 wrote:
> Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > On Tuesday 09 June 2009 16:50:33 Luke771 wrote:
> >
> >> Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday 06 June 2009 23:12:53 Luke771 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Should I file bugs for this kind of stuff? I heard that you were trying
> >>>> to make order in the bug tracker and I don't want to add more mess until
> >>>> the existing mess is sorted out, so I'm posting this kind of stuff here.
> >>>> I would file bugs for trivial stuff such as alternate wordings
> >>>> suggestions, if you guys tell me that it's OK to do so.
> >>>> In the meantime, here's another string that IMHO should be changed:
> >>>>
> >>>> InsertFreesiteToadlet.content3=Once you have downloaded jSite, and
> >>>> constructed your website using an HTML editor such as KompoZer (free) or
> >>>> Dreamweaver (commercial), work through one of the following tutorials
> >>>> which are hosted on Freenet:
> >>>>
> >>>> Never underestimate stupidity!
> >>>> That string make it sound as if users *must* use either Kompozer or
> >>>> Dreamweaver, and a website built, say, manually editing the HTML can't
> >>>> be published on Freenet.
> >>>>
> >>>> (besides, the old version of my FAFS freesite (before the layout switch)
> >>>> were built with Kompozer and when I eventually decided to switch to
> >>>> manual editing I found that the Kompozer-generate HTML was a horrible
> >>>> mess)
> >>>>
> >>>> I suggest to make it "build a site in HTML" without suggesting any app,
> >>>> e.g.
> >>>>
> >>>> InsertFreesiteToadlet.content3=Once you have downloaded jSite and built
> >>>> your website in HTML (CSS is also allowed), follow the instructions from
> >>>> one of the following freesites:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Not convinced, IMHO any user able to write a website in HTML will
> >>> understand this, no?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Sure. And those who might misundertand it as 'must use
> >> kompozer/dreamweaver' can't type html manually anyway.
> >> However, my point is more like 'don't suggest any specific WYSIWYG
> >> editor, just let users find their own.
> >> By the way, do the Freenet Project get paid for promoting Kompozer and
> >> Dreamwaver?
> >>
> >> I know I'm thinking like an 'evil capitalist', but we live in an evil
> >> capitalist world after all, so here's my point: why should we provide
> >> advertising for Kompozer and Dreamweaver? E-mail them and tell them that
> >> we 'could' do that, if we had a good reason to (and don't accept "an
> >> accident could happen..." as an answer)
> >> j/k ;-)
> >>
> >> In the meantime, it would be a better idea (IMHO) to suggest that they
> >> google 'WYSIWYG HTML editor'.
> >> With that in mind, yet another alternative for the string in question
> >> could be:
> >>
> >> InsertFreesiteToadlet.content3=Build a website using HTML and CSS or use
> >> WYSIWYG editors (What You See Is What You Get) that provide user-friendly
> >> interfaces. A web search for WYSIWYG could be a good starting point. Once
> >> built your site, follow the instructions from one of the following
> >> freesites:
> >>
> >>
> >> Note: I did google WYSIWYG and I got lots of good hits, including (of
> >> course) Wikipedia page, other pages with definitions and explanations,
> >> some official sites of particular WYSIWYG editors, and (this is the good
> >> one) some pages with editors reviews , including a 'Best 25 WYSIWYG'
> >>
> >
> > "WYSIWYG editor" != "WYSIWYG HTML editor".
> >
>
> So make that 'search for WYSIWYG HTML'
> (BTW my search for WYSIWYS got me almost exclusively HTML editors hit.)
>
> Suggesting one particular product makes the user think that we somehow
> 'want' him to use that product and not a different one.
But it makes life easier for the user. And isn't that what matters? And giving
examples is usually a sensible way to explain things, no? I don't care about
free advertising, I care about making it easy for the end user. Also, finding
good free open source HTML editors is not that easy in my experience, for
Windows everything is shareware or adware and always will be. :| However, we
should probably reorganise it. IMHO most people are lazy, so we should mention
Thingamablog *first* - provided that it works, does it?
Currently it says:
"You can anonymously upload a web site to Freenet ("insert a Freesite"). Once
it has been uploaded, it will remain on Freenet for as long as people continue
to access it occasionally. It is distributed across the network and therefore
also available if your computer is turned off. And the most important fact: If
the security level of Freenet has been configured properly it should be very
difficult to find out who has uploaded a Freesite.
Unfortunately we do not yet have a built-in wizard for inserting freesites. We
suggest you use jSite, this is a GUI tool for inserting freesites. You can get
the latest version of jSite from our web site, or you can get version 0.6.2
from Freenet (more information).
Once you have downloaded jSite, and constructed your website using an HTML
editor such as KompoZer (free) or Dreamweaver (commercial), work through one of
the following tutorials which are hosted on Freenet:
* Publish! - A short tutorial on how to insert freesites
* Freesite HOWTO - Another, longer tutorial on how to insert freesites
Alternatively, Thingamablog is a user-friendly blog generator, you can download
a Freenet-compatible version here or over Freenet."
Possible rewrite:
"You can anonymously upload a web site to Freenet ("insert a Freesite"). Once
it has been uploaded, it will remain on Freenet for as long as people continue
to access it occasionally. It is distributed across the network and therefore
also available if your computer is turned off. And the most important fact: If
the security level of Freenet has been configured properly it should be very
difficult to find out who has uploaded a Freesite.
The easiest option is to get Thingamablog. This is an application which will
let you create a Freenet blog (a "flog"), and will upload it for you. You can
download a Freenet-compatible version of Thingamablog from our web site here,
or over Freenet here.
If you want to make something other than a blog, or want to edit the HTML
yourself, you will need to create your web site in a WYSIWYG HTML editor such
as KompoZer. Currently we do not have a built-in tool for inserting freesites,
so you should get jSite from here, or from Freenet (more information about
jSite). Work through one of the following tutorials which are hosted on Freenet:
* Publish! - A short tutorial on how to insert freesites
* Freesite HOWTO - Another, longer tutorial on how to insert freesites
"
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