Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Friday 12 June 2009 21:51:56 Luke771 wrote:
>
>> Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday 09 June 2009 16:50:33 Luke771 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday 06 June 2009 23:12:53 Luke771 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Should I file bugs for this kind of stuff? I heard that you were trying
>>>>>> to make order in the bug tracker and I don't want to add more mess until
>>>>>> the existing mess is sorted out, so I'm posting this kind of stuff here.
>>>>>> I would file bugs for trivial stuff such as alternate wordings
>>>>>> suggestions, if you guys tell me that it's OK to do so.
>>>>>> In the meantime, here's another string that IMHO should be changed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> InsertFreesiteToadlet.content3=Once you have downloaded jSite, and
>>>>>> constructed your website using an HTML editor such as KompoZer (free) or
>>>>>> Dreamweaver (commercial), work through one of the following tutorials
>>>>>> which are hosted on Freenet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never underestimate stupidity!
>>>>>> That string make it sound as if users *must* use either Kompozer or
>>>>>> Dreamweaver, and a website built, say, manually editing the HTML can't
>>>>>> be published on Freenet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (besides, the old version of my FAFS freesite (before the layout switch)
>>>>>> were built with Kompozer and when I eventually decided to switch to
>>>>>> manual editing I found that the Kompozer-generate HTML was a horrible
>>>>>> mess)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest to make it "build a site in HTML" without suggesting any app,
>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> InsertFreesiteToadlet.content3=Once you have downloaded jSite and built
>>>>>> your website in HTML (CSS is also allowed), follow the instructions from
>>>>>> one of the following freesites:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not convinced, IMHO any user able to write a website in HTML will
>>>>> understand this, no?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Sure. And those who might misundertand it as 'must use
>>>> kompozer/dreamweaver' can't type html manually anyway.
>>>> However, my point is more like 'don't suggest any specific WYSIWYG
>>>> editor, just let users find their own.
>>>> By the way, do the Freenet Project get paid for promoting Kompozer and
>>>> Dreamwaver?
>>>>
>>>> I know I'm thinking like an 'evil capitalist', but we live in an evil
>>>> capitalist world after all, so here's my point: why should we provide
>>>> advertising for Kompozer and Dreamweaver? E-mail them and tell them that
>>>> we 'could' do that, if we had a good reason to (and don't accept "an
>>>> accident could happen..." as an answer)
>>>> j/k ;-)
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, it would be a better idea (IMHO) to suggest that they
>>>> google 'WYSIWYG HTML editor'.
>>>> With that in mind, yet another alternative for the string in question
>>>> could be:
>>>>
>>>> InsertFreesiteToadlet.content3=Build a website using HTML and CSS or use
>>>> WYSIWYG editors (What You See Is What You Get) that provide user-friendly
>>>> interfaces. A web search for WYSIWYG could be a good starting point. Once
>>>> built your site, follow the instructions from one of the following
>>>> freesites:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note: I did google WYSIWYG and I got lots of good hits, including (of
>>>> course) Wikipedia page, other pages with definitions and explanations,
>>>> some official sites of particular WYSIWYG editors, and (this is the good
>>>> one) some pages with editors reviews , including a 'Best 25 WYSIWYG'
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "WYSIWYG editor" != "WYSIWYG HTML editor".
>>>
>>>
>> So make that 'search for WYSIWYG HTML'
>> (BTW my search for WYSIWYS got me almost exclusively HTML editors hit.)
>>
>> Suggesting one particular product makes the user think that we somehow
>> 'want' him to use that product and not a different one.
>>
>
> But it makes life easier for the user. And isn't that what matters? And
> giving examples is usually a sensible way to explain things, no? I don't care
> about free advertising, I care about making it easy for the end user. Also,
> finding good free open source HTML editors is not that easy in my experience,
> for Windows everything is shareware or adware and always will be. :| However,
> we should probably reorganise it. IMHO most people are lazy, so we should
> mention Thingamablog *first* - provided that it works, does it?
>
> Currently it says:
>
> "You can anonymously upload a web site to Freenet ("insert a Freesite"). Once
> it has been uploaded, it will remain on Freenet for as long as people
> continue to access it occasionally. It is distributed across the network and
> therefore also available if your computer is turned off. And the most
> important fact: If the security level of Freenet has been configured properly
> it should be very difficult to find out who has uploaded a Freesite.
>
> Unfortunately we do not yet have a built-in wizard for inserting freesites.
> We suggest you use jSite, this is a GUI tool for inserting freesites. You can
> get the latest version of jSite from our web site, or you can get version
> 0.6.2 from Freenet (more information).
>
> Once you have downloaded jSite, and constructed your website using an HTML
> editor such as KompoZer (free) or Dreamweaver (commercial), work through one
> of the following tutorials which are hosted on Freenet:
>
> * Publish! - A short tutorial on how to insert freesites
> * Freesite HOWTO - Another, longer tutorial on how to insert freesites
>
> Alternatively, Thingamablog is a user-friendly blog generator, you can
> download a Freenet-compatible version here or over Freenet."
>
> Possible rewrite:
>
> "You can anonymously upload a web site to Freenet ("insert a Freesite"). Once
> it has been uploaded, it will remain on Freenet for as long as people
> continue to access it occasionally. It is distributed across the network and
> therefore also available if your computer is turned off. And the most
> important fact: If the security level of Freenet has been configured properly
> it should be very difficult to find out who has uploaded a Freesite.
>
> The easiest option is to get Thingamablog. This is an application which will
> let you create a Freenet blog (a "flog"), and will upload it for you. You can
> download a Freenet-compatible version of Thingamablog from our web site here,
> or over Freenet here.
>
> If you want to make something other than a blog, or want to edit the HTML
> yourself, you will need to create your web site in a WYSIWYG HTML editor such
> as KompoZer. Currently we do not have a built-in tool for inserting
> freesites, so you should get jSite from here, or from Freenet (more
> information about jSite). Work through one of the following tutorials which
> are hosted on Freenet:
>
> * Publish! - A short tutorial on how to insert freesites
> * Freesite HOWTO - Another, longer tutorial on how to insert freesites
> "
>
Looks like you really want to name at least one product. OK then. The
possible rewrite that you posted is better then the current one IMO.
(even better with a link to the FAFS jSite page (next FAFS update is
going to be uploaded soon)
