* Matthew Toseland <toad at amphibian.dyndns.org> [2009-05-30 11:55:17]:

> We need to get rid of emu. It costs us a significant amount of money and we 
> don't seem able to cost-effecitvely administer it.
> 
> Basically what we need:
> - PHP scripts. The website is built with PHP.

Well, the website is all about its content; not the engine... I do think
that google's website thingy (http://sites.google.com) is more than
enough for our purpose.

We use to have our own engine and to maintain it in svn on the basis
that only devs are contributing to it; Let's face it: even devs don't.
The PHP engine we are using is home-grown, high-maintenance cost and
its security is debatable (We had many flaws in the past and I bet they
are still many others).

That's typically one of the things we should delegate...

> - Database-backed PHP for MANTIS. I don't think we should get rid of MANTIS.

I do think we should; three main reasons:
        - mantis is just not adapted to our usage anymore (We don't have
          one single tree anymore)
        - most reported bugs don't apply
        - It's really a high-maintenance cost application...
          Administrating mantis, patching it, keeping it up to date is a
PITA

What about using github's issue tracking thingy instead?

> - SSL. We need to serve checksums and signatures through SSL, although big 
> files will generally be served through HTTP. It would be nice to serve the 
> installer through SSL if we have a huge traffic limit, since code signing 
> certs are expensive, on the other hand if we get cheaper hosting we can 
> probably afford to buy a code signing cert with a fraction of the money 
> saved...

We can use sourceforge's/google's distribution infrastructure there too.
I'm not sure they do SSL but our current setup doesn't either.

> - IMAP accounts ideally, but at least aliases.
> 

For that one I can't think about any alternative right away...
http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services
but I'm sure we can find someone doing it there.

> What we do NOT need:
> - Auto-build. This is difficult to secure, and not really compatible with a 
> secure git-based workflow.
> 
> Anything I've missed?
> 
> One option:
> 
> http://www.uk2.net/web-hosting/
> 
> Includes SSL, IMAP, 1TB traffic per month (bandwidth is very expensive with 
> bytemark, even if we qualified for the 50% discount for the main distributor 
> of free software), domain hosting, and a (very basic) uptime SLA, for ?13.95 
> to ?19.95/mo depending on how long we buy it for (2 years down to 1 month).
> 
> Thoughts?

I don't like your option, their SLA is a joke and we can probably get
the same thing for free from google/sourceforge/...

30sec of googleing returned me that link:
http://www.ibiblio.org/fosphost/exhost.htm

My $0.02
        NextGen$
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