Hi, This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing. Ludovic 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> > You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > > Thanks, > LM > > > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <fabio.mancine...@xwiki.com> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > > <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > > > of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > > > > > Let me recap: > > > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > > > > > > > I like both B and E. > > > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > > to put this menu. > > > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > > > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > > > > -Fabio > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > About E: > > > Some issues IMHO: > > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > > > when you are in the subwiki. > > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users > > and > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it > > be > > > confusing? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > >> > > > >> > == Proposal D == > > >> > > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > navigating > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > > wikis > > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > > the > > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > > >> entry > > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > > >> "Wiki > > >> > Index" for example. > > >> > > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > > logo as > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks > > >> > -Vincent > > >> > > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > > >> > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hi developers. > > >> > > > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > > >> Workspace > > >> > in > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > > >> > Workspaces > > >> > > activated". > > >> > > > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > (which > > was > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > request. I > > >> have > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > >> > > > > >> > > == Proposal A == > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > >> > > Logged as admin: > > >> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > >> > > Not logged as admin: > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > > >> > > > > >> > > You can get it from this commit: > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > > >> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > >> > > >> In your screenshot is: > > >> * Home > > >> ** Administer Main Wiki > > >> ** Wiki Directory > > >> > > >> What it was proposed: > > >> * Home > > >> ** Administration > > >> ** Wikis Index > > >> ** .... > > >> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > >> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > >> > > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > > >> - "Administration" > > >> or > > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > > current > > >> > menus: > > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we > > are > > >> in > > >> > a > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > >> > > > >> > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > both > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > > current > > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > > >> > several > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, > in > > the > > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > > >> "main" > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > the > > >> > users > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call > the > > >> menu > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki". > > >> > > > >> > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > > displays > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with > > the > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > >> > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have > a > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > >> > content. > > >> > > It does not look good. > > >> > > > >> > > >> In the proposal there is > > >> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > >> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > > also > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > > (especially > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located > in > > the > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > >> > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > submenu, > > we > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > > twice: > > >> > once > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items. > > >> > > > >> > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > > >> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > > >> in > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > > >> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > > >> > > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > > content' > > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > == Proposal B == > > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > > so we > > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > > >> > > B). > > >> > > > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > > >> side, > > >> > we > > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > > >> > achieve > > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" > > or > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > just > > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > > >> > "System" > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > > put > > >> it > > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > > >> confusing. > > >> > > > >> > > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > organization > > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > > The > > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > > location in > > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > > actions. > > >> > > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > their > > >> own. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > == Proposal C == > > >> > > We had also this idea: > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > > >> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > > Wiki" > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > >> > > > >> > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > --- > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > should I > > >> do? > > >> > Do > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > > because he > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still > be > > >> > changed > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > >> > > > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > >> > > > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > >> > > Current implementation: > > >> > > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > >> > > Mockup with the new skin: > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > > >> > > > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > >> > > > > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > > >> > > > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > >> > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > >> > > > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > > >> > regarding > > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > > have > > >> a > > >> > > consensus for the RC1! > > >> > > > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > >> > > -1 for proposal C. > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > >> > > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > > >> * Home > > >> ** Administration > > >> ** --- > > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory > > >> ** Documents Index > > >> > > >> (Home/mainwiki) > > >> * Home > > >> ** Watch Home > > >> ** Administer Home > > >> ** --- > > >> ** Wikis Index > > >> ** Documents Index > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Caty > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Louis-Marie > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > devs mailing list > > >> > > devs@xwiki.org > > >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > devs mailing list > > >> > devs@xwiki.org > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> devs mailing list > > >> devs@xwiki.org > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
