I let you decide for next Monday. We should release the RC 1. I won't be there tomorow.
Thanks, Louis-Marie 2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the > > entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis > > Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the > > entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a > > certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) > > > > the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', > > 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. > > > > I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', > > while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. > > > > Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. > > It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the > > correct form. > > I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native > English speaker ;) > > Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > >> 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <ludo...@xwiki.com> > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry > >> if > >>> this was already discussed. > >>> > >>> My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I > >> suppose > >>> it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just > >>> calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. > >>> > >>> I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User > >> Index", > >>> but I don't think it's the same thing. > >>> > >> > >> Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is > that > >> true Caty? > >> > >> But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not... > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Ludovic > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> > >>> > >>>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> LM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <fabio.mancine...@xwiki.com> > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > >>>>> <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > >>>>>> of > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me recap: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I like both B and E. > >>>>> > >>>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the > >> wikis > >>>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since > >> the > >>>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > >>>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > >>>>> to put this menu. > >>>>> > >>>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > >>>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > >>>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > >>>>> > >>>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > >>>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > >>>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Fabio > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> About E: > >>>>>> Some issues IMHO: > >>>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > >>> and > >>>>>> when you are in the subwiki. > >>>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > >>> users > >>>>> and > >>>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? > >> Can't > >>> it > >>>>> be > >>>>>> confusing? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < > >> vinc...@massol.net > >>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal D == > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > >>>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > >>> wiki > >>>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > >>>> navigating > >>>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of > >> other > >>>>> wikis > >>>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > >>> over > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > >>> first > >>>>>>> entry > >>>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > >>> with > >>>>>>> "Wiki > >>>>>>>> Index" for example. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use > >> the > >>>>> logo as > >>>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>> -Vincent > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > >>>>>>>> gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi developers. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > >>>>>>> Workspace > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > >>>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements > >> when > >>>>>>>> Workspaces > >>>>>>>>> activated". > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > >>>> (which > >>>>> was > >>>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > >>>> request. I > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> == Proposal A == > >>>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > >>>>>>>>> Logged as admin: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >>>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > >>>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > >>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In your screenshot is: > >>>>>>> * Home > >>>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki > >>>>>>> ** Wiki Directory > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What it was proposed: > >>>>>>> * Home > >>>>>>> ** Administration > >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index > >>>>>>> ** .... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > >>>>>>> - "Administration" > >>>>>>> or > >>>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > >>>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > >>>>> current > >>>>>>>> menus: > >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > >>> we > >>>>> are > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to > >> administrate > >>>> both > >>>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home > >> (mainwiki). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of > >> the > >>>>> current > >>>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > >>> and > >>>>>>>> several > >>>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could > >> imagine, > >>>> in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > >>> between > >>>>>>> "main" > >>>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that > >> allows > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> users > >>>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to > >> call > >>>> the > >>>>>>> menu > >>>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > >>>>> displays > >>>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > >>> with > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > >>> have > >>>> a > >>>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > >>> more > >>>>>>>> content. > >>>>>>>>> It does not look good. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In the proposal there is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > >>> could > >>>>> also > >>>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > >>>>> (especially > >>>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is > >> located > >>>> in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to > >> have > >>> a > >>>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > >>>> submenu, > >>>>> we > >>>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > >>> (mainwiki)). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > >>>>> twice: > >>>>>>>> once > >>>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >>>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >>>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > >>>>> content' > >>>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> == Proposal B == > >>>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > >>> 5.2M2, > >>>>> so we > >>>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > >>>>>>>>> B). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > >>> left > >>>>>>> side, > >>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > >>> actually > >>>>>>>> achieve > >>>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > >>> "Delete" > >>>>> or > >>>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, > >> it > >>>> just > >>>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > >>> more a > >>>>>>>> "System" > >>>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's > >> why > >>> we > >>>>> put > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > >>>>>>> confusing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > >>>> organization > >>>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > >>>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > >>> User". > >>>>> The > >>>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > >>>>> location in > >>>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > >>>>> actions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > >>> customize > >>>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > >>>> their > >>>>>>> own. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> == Proposal C == > >>>>>>>>> We had also this idea: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > >>>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > >>> "Main > >>>>> Wiki" > >>>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions > >> like > >>>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > >>>> should I > >>>>>>> do? > >>>>>>>> Do > >>>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > >>>>> because he > >>>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can > >> still > >>>> be > >>>>>>>> changed > >>>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > >>>>>>>>> Current implementation: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >>>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your > >> opinion, > >>>>>>>> regarding > >>>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > >>> must > >>>>> have > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > >>>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > >>>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > >>>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > >>>>>>> * Home > >>>>>>> ** Administration > >>>>>>> ** --- > >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory > >>>>>>> ** Documents Index > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) > >>>>>>> * Home > >>>>>>> ** Watch Home > >>>>>>> ** Administer Home > >>>>>>> ** --- > >>>>>>> ** Wikis Index > >>>>>>> ** Documents Index > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Caty > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Louis-Marie > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> devs mailing list > >>>>>>>>> devs@xwiki.org > >>>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> devs mailing list > >>>>>>>> devs@xwiki.org > >>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> devs mailing list > >>>>>>> devs@xwiki.org > >>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> devs mailing list > >>>>>> devs@xwiki.org > >>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> devs mailing list > >>>>> devs@xwiki.org > >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> devs mailing list > >>>> devs@xwiki.org > >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ludovic Dubost > >>> Founder and CEO > >>> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > >>> XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > >>> Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> devs mailing list > >>> devs@xwiki.org > >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> devs@xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
