On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > +1, I like this idea. > > > > Anyone else? > > The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus > which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". > For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>". > This is precisely the point, some have custom names and may exists many times, but there is only one home ! Having "Wiki: xwiki" does not make any sense on single wiki setup, only spaces of pages make sense. And later, you may add named wikis (subwikis) that helps you group and isolate spaces of pages without losing or having the impression of creating that home. > > If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right > now I'm more +0. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > 2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> > > > >> Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same > >> "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real > >> meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of > a > >> multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than > having > >> the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am > only > >> talking about the menu label here, not the content. > >> > >> WDYT ? > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > >> gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >> > >>> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> LM > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <fabio.mancine...@xwiki.com> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > >>>> <gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >>>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead > >>>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > . > >>>>> > >>>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let me recap: > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> I like both B and E. > >>>> > >>>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > >>>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > >>>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > >>>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > >>>> to put this menu. > >>>> > >>>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > >>>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > >>>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > >>>> > >>>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > >>>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > >>>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > >>>> > >>>> -Fabio > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> About E: > >>>>> Some issues IMHO: > >>>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > >> and > >>>>> when you are in the subwiki. > >>>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > >> users > >>>> and > >>>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > >> it > >>>> be > >>>>> confusing? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <vali...@gmail.com> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vinc...@massol.net > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> == Proposal D == > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > >>>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > >> wiki > >>>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > >>> navigating > >>>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > >>>> wikis > >>>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > >> over > >>>> the > >>>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > >> first > >>>>>> entry > >>>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > >> with > >>>>>> "Wiki > >>>>>>> Index" for example. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > >>>> logo as > >>>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> -Vincent > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > >>>>>>> gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi developers. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > >>>>>> Workspace > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > >>>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > >>>>>>> Workspaces > >>>>>>>> activated". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > >>> (which > >>>> was > >>>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > >>> request. I > >>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal A == > >>>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > >>>>>>>> Logged as admin: > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249382e3d2c4138 > >>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > >>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In your screenshot is: > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki > >>>>>> ** Wiki Directory > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What it was proposed: > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Administration > >>>>>> ** Wikis Index > >>>>>> ** .... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > >>>>>> - "Administration" > >>>>>> or > >>>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > >>>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > >>>> current > >>>>>>> menus: > >>>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > >> we > >>>> are > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > >>> both > >>>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > >>>> current > >>>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > >> and > >>>>>>> several > >>>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, > >>> in > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > >> between > >>>>>> "main" > >>>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > >>> the > >>>>>>> users > >>>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call > >>> the > >>>>>> menu > >>>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > >>>> displays > >>>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > >> with > >>>> the > >>>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > >> have > >>> a > >>>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > >> more > >>>>>>> content. > >>>>>>>> It does not look good. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the proposal there is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > >> could > >>>> also > >>>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > >>>> (especially > >>>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located > >>> in > >>>> the > >>>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have > >> a > >>>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > >>> submenu, > >>>> we > >>>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > >> (mainwiki)). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > >>>> twice: > >>>>>>> once > >>>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > >>>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > >>>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuSubWiki.png > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMenuMain.png > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > >>>> content' > >>>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal B == > >>>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > >> 5.2M2, > >>>> so we > >>>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(proposal > >>>>>>>> B). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > >> left > >>>>>> side, > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > >> actually > >>>>>>> achieve > >>>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > >> "Delete" > >>>> or > >>>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > >>> just > >>>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > >> more a > >>>>>>> "System" > >>>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > >> we > >>>> put > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > >>>>>> confusing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > >>> organization > >>>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > >>>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > >> User". > >>>> The > >>>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > >>>> location in > >>>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > >>>> actions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > >> customize > >>>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > >>> their > >>>>>> own. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> == Proposal C == > >>>>>>>> We had also this idea: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC) > >>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > >> "Main > >>>> Wiki" > >>>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > >>>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > >>> should I > >>>>>> do? > >>>>>>> Do > >>>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > >>>> because he > >>>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still > >>> be > >>>>>>> changed > >>>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > >>>>>>>> Current implementation: > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > >>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/MenuPortal.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > >>>>>>>> > >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > >>>>>>> regarding > >>>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > >> must > >>>> have > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > >>>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > >>>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > >>>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Administration > >>>>>> ** --- > >>>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory > >>>>>> ** Documents Index > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (Home/mainwiki) > >>>>>> * Home > >>>>>> ** Watch Home > >>>>>> ** Administer Home > >>>>>> ** --- > >>>>>> ** Wikis Index > >>>>>> ** Documents Index > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Caty > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
